Do you think there is a heaven? I don’t think so, but I hope/wish. I read this book about a guy who died for ninety minutes and he said that he went to heaven. The way that he described it was so cliche with light and gold and beautiful religious music and lots of people. (He was a minister). That’s not how I want heaven to be. I want there to be mountains and quiet forests. Maybe if there is a heaven, each person perceives it the way that makes them happy. I hope that there is a heaven and that everybody is happy there.
If there is a God and Heaven, do you think that you don’t get to go there if you commit suicide? People say depression is an illness, so why would God punish you for being sick? Wouldn’t he understand?
Maybe there is reincarnation and you get a second chance at all the things you messed up the first time around (but you don’t even know it’s the second/ third/ or hundredth time around).
Hi Invisible
I have to hang on to the belief that there is more than this, that there is something to look forward to…cant bear the thought that this is it! If you want an interesting read “Seat Of The Soul” is a good book, very intense and one I have to go back and read a page over and over before it really makes sense!
I do understand how you feel…I am one who thinks waaay too much!
i do believe there is a heaven…I believe that there is a God…that He loved me enough to forgive me for the horrible things i’ve done…and that someday I will know what Heaven is really like…on the flip side…i believe there is a Hell…and Satan and demons who try to make things look enticing (like suicide for ex) like it’s a way out when really it isn’t…do i think people who commit suicide go to heaven…I honestly don’t know…is it the “unforgivable sin”??? maybe…
i think we are all here for a purpose…and when our lives end shouldn’t be our choice…it’s scary to think that maybe we wouldn’t be forgiven if we committ suicide…i have had a friend who did commit suicide years back and i pray that someday i will see him again in Heaven…but i honestly and truthfully don’t know that i will…
Invisible3,
I’ve had that same argument about being sick and commiting suicide over and over in my head for the past three or four months now. If you hear God calling your name, and there is a God, He will protect you as he has protected me. It says in the Bible that NOTHING can seperate us from His love. Dark, light, angels, principlaties, etc. Once He calls us, we are HIS. I think if we rely on Him for strength, even when we doubt, He will pull us through.
I decided suicide is not the way out. We’re here for a purpose. My purpose might just be to send this simple message of hope to you - for right now. I think God forgives, but it’s not His plan that His children take their own lives. Just trust and believe HE has a PLAN. It might not make sense to us right now, but HE has one!!! Don’t miss out on it 
Hold on tight and try and enjoy the ride. People who endure hardship have a deeper sense of life and its meaning than those who skate through untouched. God is teaching us something for a reason. You may save someone’s life some day from this experience you are enduring. Don’t give up hope. Hold on tightly.
There is a heaven. Believe in God - He believes in YOU.
Hugs,
Daisy
hi, invisible3
I think its safe to say that heaven is observed differently through each and every one of us.... I have trouble observeing god's physical presence with a heavenly golden kingdom, angels fluttering-by from cloud edge to cloud edge. A ripe golden sun with rays of the most warm comfortable light filling a hypmitizeing blue sky....
to think of a place as i see and have my own breath taken away...i think is a good assumption of what heaven to me would be....wow!!!! just to be able to glide over long colorful fields of green soaring up to cool crisp mountain tops would just be a peice of my heaven.....
Suicide to me is the devils trap door, many times in the past i have been inticed to take it....but look at what i would be missing out on if i answered the fire'y door of doom.....
God is Love, see you on the mountain top.
Take Care, social-d
I don’t think God is all fire and brimstone. He is a loving God and would forgive a lost soul that would take his own life. As far as heaven, mabey we’re not suppose to know exactly whats it’s like. We need to have faith in that which we cannot see. Those who have had experiences- I don’t think it was heaven. Just an inhanced dream state.
I don’t think God is all fire and brimstone. He is a loving God and would forgive a lost soul that would take his own life. As far as heaven, mabey we’re not suppose to know exactly whats it’s like. We need to have faith in that which we cannot see. Those who have had experiences- I don’t think it was heaven. Just an inhanced dream state.
I don’t think God is all fire and brimstone. He is a loving God and would forgive a lost soul that would take his own life. As far as heaven, mabey we’re not suppose to know exactly whats it’s like. We need to have faith in that which we cannot see. Those who have had experiences- I don’t think it was heaven. Just an inhanced dream state.
whoops, I didn’t mean to do that! ha
Hi,
I’m an agnostic, so I really couldn’t tell you about the god/heaven thing.
I know lots of people have lots of beliefs on that subject, but I have never heard one that seems credible, believable. Everyone is entitled to think what they want obviously, but it’s just my opinion that we as a whole would be better off w/o religion, belief systems etc. I think we’d be better off to focus on here and now, be our own higher powers, our own gods if there really is such a need for a god. We seem to devote a lot of time to just saying stuff like “god has a plan” and so on. Sometimes it just seems like a cop out to me. Facing whatever crisis is too much of a toll so the brain punts to the supernatural so it can cope. Understandable, but maybe not the best solution. Performing an evasion instead of an intervention.
I know people that commit suicide rarely really want to die, they just want the pain to stop. I also know how it feels to feel invisible. I would hope that if there is a god, that it would really forgive us everything and make it all better. Some faiths say suicide is a sin and you go to hell. I’ve always felt that in varying degrees, religions just try to control instead of “enlightening” or caring . One of their controlling devices is fear. Another is guilt. With suicide, who could really blame someone though for going to any lengths to stop someone from throwing their lives away. I’ve learned long ago though to take several grains of salt with any religious ideology.
I guess this is a roundabout way of reiterating that I don’t know. But, please don’t be in a hurry to find out. Give it time, talk to someone. We’re all in a similar boat here. Draw upon this resource and any other to help yourself face ad cope with your pain. Don’t throw in the towell, and don’t put your head in the sand.
Such a touchy subject with so many different thoughts and opinions from around the world even I can only speak from my own experiences ,heart, mind and spirit. But first let me say there isa difference between religion and spirituality. Religion is man made with many different denominations and fauts. Spirituality deals with a personal and private relationship with God ,Spirit and Christ. I do not believe in religion but I do have a deep personal relationdship with God thru Christ by the holy spirit.I shall even go so far as to say there have been timmes when my inner human spirit has heard Christ speak to me in regards to my life with Him as my guide.He has brought me out of a life ruin and through His grace and love and my obedience to His ways has brought me to a place now where if I died today it would be filled with peace and no regrets due to Him cleansing my heart. I could give many details where He was quite evident and I could go on and on about how He has made a HUGE difference in all aspects of my life. And I have absolutly no doubt of the reality of Him ,His word, His promises,love and grace. He is why my hubby and myself are still alive inspite of our aids and Hepc while all but just a few of our past associates are dead and gone. To heaven or Hell? I cannot not say whether they in their last breath reached out to Him . And as for suicide all I can say is God is merciful and agian who knows the mind of one at the last second . Their very last thought before the good by. What would give you peace to your heart mind and soul before you died?
Whatever happens when we leave this life, I truly believe that each of us are only here as the individuals we are now this one time. For that reason, I
want to experience “me” as I am now…no matter how hard it can be at some points, I think I have a life & friends & family & memories that are unique. I have realized that I cherish my uniqueness & that of all others.
I went through a long period of feeling suicidal & a shorter period of being suicidal. I discovered that I didn’t want to die…I just didn’t want to be in pain anymore. When I understood the difference between the two & found out there were ways to feel better, it helped me to find a way out!
I hope you have realized how much support you have here!!
Whatever happens when we leave this life, I truly believe that each of us are only here as the individuals we are now this one time. For that reason, I
want to experience “me” as I am now…no matter how hard it can be at some points, I think I have a life & friends & family & memories that are unique. I have realized that I cherish my uniqueness & that of all others.
I went through a long period of feeling suicidal & a shorter period of being suicidal. I discovered that I didn’t want to die…I just didn’t want to be in pain anymore. When I understood the difference between the two & found out there were ways to feel better, it helped me to find a way out!
I hope you have realized how much support you have here!!
Whatever happens when we leave this life, I truly believe that each of us are only here as the individuals we are now this one time. For that reason, I
want to experience “me” as I am now…no matter how hard it can be at some points, I think I have a life & friends & family & memories that are unique. I have realized that I cherish my uniqueness & that of all others.
I went through a long period of feeling suicidal & a shorter period of being suicidal. I discovered that I didn’t want to die…I just didn’t want to be in pain anymore. When I understood the difference between the two & found out there were ways to feel better, it helped me to find a way out!
I hope you have realized how much support you have here!!
I read the same book. It made me smile, because it indicated that our future will probably unfold just as we expect it to. In this case, a Southern Baptist minister went to a Southern Baptist “heaven”. I suspect that my “Heaven” will be significantly different. I also believe there is an objective reality that transcends what we consider to be physical life. Life is energy, and like matter, there is no known physical process to create or destroy it. Therefore, some form of transcendent reality must exist, or else we would not.
It is interesting that this minister reported that Heaven could only exist in a form as described by him. However, thousands of people have experienced life after death, and a glorious destination, that differed greatly from his description. There are far more similarities between the reports of these other individuals, and this ministers report of the afterlife. I believe that the Minister as well as those others, who related afterlife experiences, told the truth. Just as in other aspects of life, and apparently death, we experience “according to our faith.” When my time comes, I would like to transcend the limitations of my own belief system, and form a relationship with the Divine that correlates with Universal reality. I think we will all reach that destination sooner or later.
It makes me smile to think that there may be such things as cowboy Heaven, musician heaven, squirrel heaven, turtle heaven, or whatever other kind of heaven is called for by the individual departing this life.
I will not make a moral judgment related to suicide, that includes anyone but myself. I believe it would be wrong for me to take my own life, because I would be wasting a lot of gifts and opportunities to express love and experience joy. I have experienced chronic depression for most of my life. I am much better now. If I had committed suicide, I would never have experienced the joy of my current relationship, satisfaction and fulfillment in my work, the terrific time I have with grandchildren, beautiful nature hikes, and countless small treasures of experience that I have daily.
Also, I am curious, very curious to see what happens next. One problem with suicide is that once committed, you can change your mind. Another consideration is that I believe we are here to help each other, providing support, healing, comfort and love as needed. Who might we be abandoning if we “off ourselves” prematurely?
As I mentioned earlier, I will not judge the actions of others related to suicide. I have been devastated by the suicide loss of a close friend, who reminded me a lot of myself. I refuse to “blame him” for doing something wrong. Clearly, he was overwhelmed, and felt he had no choice. Sometimes, even now, I experience mood crashes that put me surprisingly close to that “no escape,” suffocating depression. I continue to get past them by realizing that they are “episodes” rather than the actual state of things. I also become meditative, focusing on heart intuition rather than the debilitating thoughts occurring in my head. I also pray.
Know that you are loved, and there is more love to come, Aaron
This is a lot to read. I was raised as a Jehovah’s Witness but I was suicidal for a while. I believe that if you commit suicide, God will punish you because he did a lot for you to even have a life in the first place. So, to get around that, I would put myself in situations in which I would die so someone else would be responsible for my death and not me. But I’m retarded so…
Yes I believe in God, Heaven and Hell. I also believe that if you are sincere about asking for forgiveness that God does forgive. He is a loving God, but if you do commit suicide, I believe that you will go to Hell, because you are taking your own life.
Yes I believe in God, Heaven and Hell. I also believe that if you are sincere about asking for forgiveness that God does forgive. He is a loving God, but if you do commit suicide, I believe that you will go to Hell, because you are taking your own life.
Yes I believe in God, Heaven and Hell. I also believe that if you are sincere about asking for forgiveness that God does forgive. He is a loving God, but if you do commit suicide, I believe that you will go to Hell, because you are taking your own life.
i don’t know just what kind of person you are but your sure not human and there is a god, so don’t leave me anymore of your satanic emails
Wayne depression-cpt3405@lists.careplace.com wrote: