Have you ever attempted suicide?

I used to make the thoughts stop like this:

I wold picture myself gone - dead - did it - so my physical body is gone, I can’t move, talk, touch, react so that anyone will know it. There is no way to reach the peole who are still alive. The thing that stopped me was I know there is an afterlife.

If there is an afterlife, that means I would go on. I would not be able stop my thoughts or my feelings. They would be in another place, but they wold not stop. my soul would remain here on earth for a while. So Although I could no longer speak I would be watching the person who found me - dead. Then the phone call to the closest relative -(no matter how distant they feel ). It most likely be my parents. since I would be dead and able to see most everywhere, i would see the devestation in thier eyes when they were told over the phone that their daughter was gone. Then, they would have to try and pull it together if they could - they might not be able to -. They would be driving down figuring out what they would say to my sons. or depeneding on how it was done they may be the ones who already know - at 17 and 23 years old. They would be in shock and confusion. it would be so severe. it is always hard on the cloest ones. And then the funeral and people think - oh then it is over…

But it is not - as they go on because they don’t have the luxury of just leaving - they would all live with the pain. When asked about thier family they would have to say oh my mother - sister - daughter - friend -neighbor etc killed herself. So inessesnce, they would no longer have a mother not have a daughter, not have a sister. And that is the hard part for them. Yes they can get through days - some good some bad, but their pain would stay. and when they thought of me -they would alwyas be sad. It would take a long long time to get past the sadness of a suicide - so other than in a normal death, their inital thought would be what could i have done. And why why why. And in a spiritual world having left this earth, when we thought of them, we would feel their pain, not our connection to them,we would feel their sadness, and it would take a long long time to get past it. past the guilt -
many of you know peole who have committed suicide.
I am not condemning them, because I know they did just want to get out of their pain. It was too great. and i know the pain.
But I know the grief of losing a son to suicide.
I try to get past it. Many of my memories are just his happy ones now. But it is hard - I still often feel his pain that I could not relieve. i still feel responsible. Most of all I will miss him - I do miss him incredibly, But I will miss him for my enitre lifetime. I don’t believe he is “stuck” here anymore. But I think some of my and probably others’ uncontollable grief kept him here - in limbo. And I can’t imagine anything harder, than to be watching the ones who you care about in pain. all they want to do is see you - talk to you laugh with you and you can no longer do anything about that. No matter how rejected and hurt and mad at them you feel now. You are gone permanently from this earthly world, and all you can do is try and send signs, maybe they will get it. - ,maybe they won’t, but at best all they can do is believe and hope you are near and okay

That is what we don’t realize. Herre on earth we have control overr how we touch people. Many of us feel so out of control and that is part of our pain. we don’t know why we are out of control or sad - but we just want it to stop. But if we just try and imagine what we do have cotrol over no matter how limited. At this moment, we can touch,see hear smell, feel, taste anything. simple simple pleasures of life seem insignificant. But when we are dead, we will feel -which is what hurts the most - but I believe we will still feel, but we will not have the opportunity to touch someone. just a hug helps sometimes. or taste anything, just something sweet sometimes, or hear like we hear on earth - beautiful music - or the sound of a voice… or see . a beautiful sunset, or smell, the scent of a freh picked rose. Do you think all of those will be gone? I do.

When my son died, I didn’t want to hear the birds sing in the morning - it is still not as pretty.
I still have a hard time looking at sunsets, because I know he never will again.
The ocean and the waves don’t feel as good, but this is the one thing that doesn’t feel as bad.
Sometimes I don’t think I enjoy food as much, but sometimes i appreciate it more. For the first few days after he died I barely ate at all.
And I just realized now, i don’t really look for pretty scents anymore. Although I would try to find his scent in his clothes. That is all there is left to be able to smell him.

I think he wishes or wished he could take it back sometimes. Maybe his pain is gone -I hope so. But no one can know. The transition is very hard the moving on and away. it has been a year and 8 months and 8 days today. Yes I count the months. you just can’t help it-
they say when you are gone - ther is no time
the spirit world is timeless - so the only time we have is here
a lot of people have given up on this world. espcecially young people
this world is corrupt in many ways-
I think kids look at the world and see that we as adults ahve not done enough to make this world a better place
it is full of violence and hatred and hurt. When we look at going out into it, it seems odds our against us
we have to go- we have to make a living we have to find our friendships and there are many to be made,
we can offer good or we can offer bad
or we can choose to leave

all I can do is try to make my corner a little better

and maybe spread some love…

Blackdog - thank you - this is EXACTLY what anyone who is thinking of committing suicide should hear. I cannot think of a better way to describe this to anyone. Your empathy, compassion, and generosity amaze me - the fact that you are so willing to share with us after all that you have been through is truly the work of God through you, meaning we are blessed with your presence tenfold - you are such a beautiful soul, thank you for being such an active, wonderful, helpful part of CarePlace. Thank you.

I don’t know what to say… that was poignant. In short, you said in kind words, don’t be so selfish, buck up and enjoy what you do have. I will try. I heard birds singing this morning since it’s beginning to thaw out here in Michigan. I enjoyed it. I saw the stars out last night while sitting on the back porch…beautiful. I always think of going to heaven when pain and hurt are no more. Not being stuck in a spirit world, but I have a hard time accepting my own thesis on God forgiving suicide. I guess that’s why I’m still here…I’m loath to take the chance. As for people I’ll leave behind, they all know about the suicidal thoughts, and their intensity, so it wouldn’t be a surprise, but it would be painful. I’m just insensitive when I want to feel better and not care about them, I guess. I’ll try to keep your words in mind, and your experience with losing a loved one in my mind when foolish thoughts come rolling in like a semi-truck. Thanks for sharing such an intimate experience with us.

thanks time,
daisy, thank you also, i just want to clarify, i do think God accepts us and recieves us no matter how we leave this world. It is just I think, there is a time when our spirit remains here. I think that would be very painful - to want to be with the ones we love and know we can’t - physically.
and I wonder if the pain our loved ones feel - kind of keeps our souls here for a time.

And to feel that I had left them - maybe all they wanted was for me to be me. - it is so hard to find your way in this world sometimes…
I don’t mean to say people should buck up, because I know when you’re down, that is next to impossible and to hear that you should, sometimes just makes it worse.

I guess, even before I lost my son, I had done this kind of soul searching and it was one way that stopped me from wanting to take my life.
It actually, maybe in a sense was a more selfish reason to be want to be here.
I wasn’t stopping my suicide for them, but for the inability I would feel to reach them if I was gone.
I wanted to maintain that small amount of control I have now.
Even though, when I speak to friends and family, I often feel they don’t care, they don’t understand and it wouldn’t matter to them if I was gone, but, I know it would. and it might matter more years from now than it would right now~

although family is important, we are each responsible for our own actions and what we choose to do to be emotionally healthy. If I am not getting what I need from certain people, I look elsewhere. I feel rejected by my sister (only living sibling) over and over again, so I no longer put myself out there to her - to reject me. Sometimes, I don’t think she even realizes how hurt she makes me feel. Maybe I have done this same thing to others although I don’t mean to. I try and establish friendships elsewhere and get emotional support elsewhere.
If I still can not seem to feel connected I look inside.

Often I need to be alone to understand myself, before I feel strong enough to be with others. People sometimes are inadvertently insensitive and if I am feeling vulnerable, i find I am very susceptible to others actions or comments.

Thing is -i know when we are in pain, it is really hard to see others feelings or care about them, but eventually we do. What I wrote, is just one perspective that I thought did help me, and I guess sometimes still does.

From that, I sometimes can move on to “okay, if I’m going to be here, what can I do”. what do I want to do.
If I’m still in pain, i try and nurture that, but hopefully not for too long. I try and learn, because the more I know the more tools I have to battle this beast. I try and reach out, because if i can help people,it helps me.

BlackDog,
Do you really think that God accepts us into heaven no matter how we leave this earth? Isn’t it kind of an insult to God for giving back His gift of life to us in such a tragic way? Aren’t we supposed to go out in His time? I’ve been struggling with these questions and answers for awhile now. I can’t decide. I can’t settle on a real answer, except don’t do it…so that’s where I just hang on. I was wondering why you think He’d accept us no matter what.

Hi Daisy,

You are right in what you say -Don’t Do It!!! No matter what we believe, or what God accepts or doesn’t accept, the only thing we can really be certain about - or at least try to hold close, is that Life is a Gift. It does not feel that way often. But here we know what is here. We know what opportunities may or may not await us. We have options - no matter how limited. Whereever or whatever happens after life - no one can be sure. No matter what we’ve been taught, or what we believe - there is no proof anywhere, anyhow of exactly what happens after life. yes maybe some spirits can reach out and touch us and do live on, but what happens during the other periods when we don’t feel them, when they are not reaching out?

Sometimes i think of it as an animation. that may sound crazy, but if you look at cartoons, they are originally a drawing. We know how they think and what they typically do because we have seen the cartoon before. But until the artist draws another segment, - or gives it life - we don’t know what Bugs Bunny’s next move will really be.

We are the artists of our own lifes. we are responsible for realizing who we really are. There is a lot of garbage that gets in the way, for almost everybody - probably everybody. some people realize sooner or are taught at a younger age, or have less resistance to their true soul, but most of us work on it. some of us go through life and never even believe it - that we have a soul. But I believe, at least here on Earth, we have an opportunity, to learn how to evolve our soul. I don’t know what happens next.

I think we are hear also to learn. sometimes we learn over and over again, until we get it - if we get it.

They say God is all forgiving. That is what I would like to believe. But God wants us to try. He brought us here for a reason. They say God is not a punishing God. That I would like to believe. Maybe there is a point in our soul where we can truly allow ourselves to be at one with God. Maybe before that, a lot of everything is brought on by our own misguided thinking - dead or alive.

I am only one person - I am not any kind of minister. I have not even read the whole Bible and I have questioned faith many times. It does seem like still - when there is no where for me to turn - I still pray. when no one gets it - I ask for answers from God. sometimes I don’t want to - because I don’t understand how terrible things could happen. But part of it for me is kind of a "universal energy’ that I try and tap into. If I can try and be part of this energy, maybe I can try and turn some of these tragedies around. Maybe I’ve been blinded to things too many times. Or I’ve allowed myself to become clouded.

I guess in answer to your question, and because of my son, I refuse to believe that we are sent to some kind of hell in eternity, or that God does not accept us.

But in no way does that make it okay. Suicide is never okay. NEVER NEVER NEVER
It leaves behind pain for everyone behind. It is giving up on this world. It is tragic and awful and sad. And yes, God I do believe forgives everyone, but I also believe even those who choose to leave, have regret. I so much don’t want my son to feel the pain of regret, and that is about the only reason I try and move on. I think that when he sees my pain, or anyone elses, who was close to him, it hurts him more. He might stay in some kind of pain or regret when he sees ours.

They say we are all - everyone of us connected.

I don’t know if this is too confusing. It is certainly more philosphical than I intended it to be, but I feel like I needed to say it.

Daisy, if you are still struggling, find a way to get help. we all have our own demons. When we forgive ourselves, - others forgive us also. When we have courage, others believe in our strength. When we have love, others have love for us.

Please be strong. Remember, all we really have is today. :slight_smile:

You have a gift for bringing spirits up and for writing beautifully. Thank you for your ministry into my life. Yes, I understood it all. I am currently packing to go for inpatient hospitalization. I can’t stand feeling this way and I’m not going to check out unless it’s on The Great "I AM"s time. Thank you for sharing. Again, you write words of wisdom in a beautiful way…say a prayer for me.

Daisy,
Thank you for your response and your kind words. It really helps me to hear that maybe I could help you. You are doing the best thing you can for yourself - reaching out for help. I congratulate you for that. I wish you the best and i am saying a prayer for you right now. I know about feeling that way, and sometimes the only thing you can do is reach out for help. Don’t stop looking until you find it - you will. You will find peace. remember, thoughts create energy. Sometimes, it is hard to find those positive thoughts, but you can. Believe it.
If you can log in while you’re away, let me/us know how you are doing. (If not log in when you are back!) I really want to know you are OKAY!!!
You are not alone in your feelings. Otherwise, there would be no reason for this site.
You can get through it and get back to a good place. You are a great person. Take Care of Yourself. Remember that you are very very valuable!!! xoxoxoxoxo, pam

I must say the thought of hurting myself would be horriable and never did I ever feel that way.

you’re lucky.