3+ Years of No Contact, and I'm Still Obsessing ...I Can't. Get Over It

Dear Forum,


Ohhhhh, I hope I’m not the only silly person who has been blessedly free of a Narcissistic man for over three years, yet continue to think of him daily, and obsess over all the old memories.

He pulled the Cold Abandonment act. One day he was planning to come and see me, and then the next, he just turned away on a dime. He turned off his love like it was a switch that could be flicked off.

I can’t stop thinking about him. I don’t know if I miss him or love him or hate him or what. I guess the truth is, I miss the “good times” that we had, and feel like someone robbed them from me.

Losing him the way I did was extremely painful to me. Being a true Narcissist, though I did not know about the condition at the time, he showed me no warmth, no empathy. He simply conveyed his disinterest and vanished.

I feel … violated. It’s the not the same break-up pain as others in my life. He and I had known each other for decades before he gave me “the treatment”. He turned the spotlight on full blast when he finally announced his love. He made so many promises, declarations of never-ending love, and they all turned out to be a lot of checks that could never be cashed. When you don’t expect someone to lie to you and manipulate you, you just believe all their lies. I believed him, and I trusted him (he did tell me I could trust him, after all).

I’ve read so many books, so many articles online, that I am intellectually aware of everything that happened, but emotionally, I can’t get over it! He is in my head every day. I wish he weren’t.

How can I kick the memory of him to the curb, and be free of this depression, obsession, and pain?!

Thank you for listening.










Dear JNean,

Wow, reading your post brings back so many bad memories. I truly can feel your pain and am so sorry you are still in the war. I remember the obsession I had with him and at times, I felt as if I had to hold on to my furniture to keep from running after him. We only really dated about 3 months, but I have been in the battle since meeting him in 2007, first to stay away from him, and then when I regained strength, to keep him away from me.

I read everything on Narcissism I could find. An especially good book for me was "Why is it always about you?" by Sandy Hotchkiss, LCSW. There were times when I hated him, felt sorry for him, loved him, admired him, you name it, my emotions were all over the place. One thing I had to come to terms with was that feeling they give to you when you initially get back together with them. It's like they suck everything out of you, but in a moment they can fill it all back up and then some. When I finally realized that everything I morned for and thought I needed wasn't real. That is what makes the Narcissist so cunning and devious. They know exactly how to build you up, but in the same breath, can take it all away with just a look or a word. In a normal relationship, after a break up you would go through a grieving process and untimately healed and move on. Not with an N. There is no closure. They never admit to being the problem, so you are always left hanging on.

I hope this helps JNean. I want what I have walked through to help make another person's life easier.

Blessings,

Teresa

Dear Victim,


Thank you so much for your response! I never thought I would be years removed from his abandonment, and still be tortured by thoughts of him every day. Worse yet, was the way he closed the door – he didn’t! His last correspondence to me was:

"When I am able, I will write again."

YIPPEEEE FOR ME! :stuck_out_tongue:

Ohhhhhh I just … I never was able to confront the man I now know him to be. I kept talking to the man I thought he was. After he left, I thought perhaps he had Borderline Personality Disorder ; then I heard a song that referred to man as “narcissistic”, so I looked up Narcissistic Personality Disorder, and BAM! No question. Reading the description was like looking at a picture of him.

Funny, how Narcissists think they’re so “special” and unique … and on paper, they’re all just the same. Pure textbook. GRR.

(The song that spurred me to look up Narcissists, btw, is worth hearing – “The FaceBook Song” by Kate Miller-Heidke – love her!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S7MuwPlOiNQ )

And you’re right, there were so many bad times … he was so … .defensive! And paranoid! And moody! I was able to circumvent a lot of this by changing my style with him. I was used to be able to joke with people, but he couldn’t handle any jokes that made him out to be, I don’t know, human. So, I put on kid gloves with him, and pretended to be the most upbeat, cheerful, encouraging person in the world, even when I wanted to clobber him for his insensitivities. It worked. Well… until he left.

I’ve just been perusing the posts on this forum, and one of them has led me to Sandra Brown’s website at http://saferelationshipsmagazine.com . Lo and behold, she has a book about obsession!!!

http://saferelationshipsmagazine.com/maintaining-mindfulness-in-the-midst-of-obsession-2

It is somewhat gratifying to know that I am obsessive because I was suckered by a pathological jerk … and not just because I’m obsessive period. It is actually highly gratifying to know so many details of what happened and why … I just wish it were more therapeutic than it is.

What I want, at a very primal level – what I really want – is for karma to deliver the punishment he deserves. It just feels like he should suffer for the way he hurt others. Or for him to contact me … for him to beg for forgiveness. Something! Instead he just lumbers through life, reaping rewards with a stupid smile plastered on his face, and why not – he gets everything he wants, and he never has to feel a pang of remorse for it. Grrrrr. GRRRR!!!

I’m sad/depressed/angry; there’s so much churning within me and I don’t know how to channel it into something positive, something healing.

But at least I have finally found the correct support group!!

Thank you for your insight. I look forward to finding out more. I think right now it’s most important to find others who have been through this terrible soul-grinding. It felt, at the time, as if I were the only person something so shocking and terrible happened to … and you’d think I’d know better, as I was victimized as a young girl/adolescent by an older girl with BPD. But it’s different when it’s romance.

If there’s one thing I know, it’s that there is strength in numbers – it helps to know that when we suffer something, others have gone through the pain and survived it. I’m very glad to know there’s a space for people like us, to vent our frustration & indignation.

Thank you :slight_smile:









Ok. Now I have to stop laughing. I finially listened to his voicemail. He thanked me for the birthday card, which of course I didn’t send. Then to further try to put me on a guilt trip he said he has the flu and feels terrible. I just have to stop laughing. He’s so preditable. Maybe I’ll answer him, maybe I won’t. If I do it will be late at night when I know he’s asleep. Then I don’t have to talk to him directly. I’ll leave a voicemail. It’s my turn to play mind games. Lord knows he played enough of them on me. About drove me crazy. Like I said before, you can put yourself in charge. God I have to stop laughing! But not right now.

OMG, Victim – are you ever in the driver’s seat!! All you have to do is ignore his voicemail and all will be well. There is nothing they hate more than being ignored. He thanked you for a bday card you didn’t send – bwa ha ha – he is fishing for your attention. Which you’re not going to give him. The satisfaction of knowing how much he’ll stew over that ought to provide you with the good feeling of empowerment you deserve to have.


I’m always reminded of that line from the first “Nightmare on Elm Street” - the best way to fight a monster is to turn your back on him. Then he no longer has any power.

Keep laughing – remember you have all the info you need to stay out of his stupid, evil game of manipulation!

Sending you strength!

Teresa, Victim, & Jackie,


Thank you so much for sharing your experiences and emotions. I feel like I am going crazy from “the looping” … I dream of him constantly. In fact, I’ve been dreaming of him more and more recently. I think I need to confront him; write him a letter; something. He is not the man I thought he was.

It’s all so standard and obvious, when I look at it on paper. The statement “He isn’t who I thought he was” – it’s what we’re all feeling. But it’s heartbreaking to me, because I’d known him since we were teenagers. He was such a beautiful young boy, charming and funny even back then. Some of those youthful days spent with him were the happiest in my life, when were just friends and joking around. Those are precious days to me. True … he also made me sad back then; he seemed to enjoy flaunting his girlfriend in my face. And he made HER so crazy with jealousy that she attacked me verbally several times in school. She didn’t hate me; she was just never sure of her footing with him. Why should she be, when he invited me out to the movies with him, behind her back, which I did not know. Fortunately, I wasn’t ready for romance back then, and everything he was doing was waaaay over my innocent head.

I’m told that his teenage girlfriend’s parents forced her to break up with him; he told me it was because “…I didn’t make enough money, and they wanted her to marry a doctor.” He also told me, a couple of years ago, that he wished he could contact her, “so she can see how much I’ve changed.” So now, in retrospect, I suspect her parents forced the breakup because he was driving her insane, and his behavior towards her was unhealthy. There’s a key in that statement of his – why should he want to show her he’d changed?

That’s one glaring thing I can see about him now; as much I believe he is a high functioning Narcissist, I can spot the holes in his stories. He has a penchant for blurting out the truth , and then changing the story later, so that he comes out in a better light.

It’s quite the revelation for me to think I saw the Narcissist at work when I was a teenager, but never recognized it. Asking another girl to the movies without informing his current girlfriend …he started cheating on his women when he was 16 years old. He is in his 40s now, and has been married twice … and cheated on both of his wives. Yet I thought that he had evolved.

I want to just puke.

Jackie, you’re right, it’s more revealing to analyze our own past, pre-Narcissist. I feel I am sorely in need of therapy. I have done a lot of self-reflection and am aware of many of the weaknesses that drew me to him – and, on the heels of him, another one I was terribly fond of, but who exhibited similar cold/controlling behavior. And I just wanted to love him and save him and help him and OY VEY, Hellooooo Doormat.

So. I want therapy, but I can’t afford it – there really aren’t any affordable options for me right now, not with my current situation of less hours on the job, and lots of bills to pay. But – less work hours is sort of therapeutic in its way. Not only would therapy be a good way for me to talk all this stuff out, and gain insight on why I feel so oversensitive and bruised about all this, but I have this belief/hope that anti-depressants are what I need. God, if I could just take a magic pill, and be the happy, fun loving person I used to be. To feel motivated to go out and do the things I used to love to do, that I now only feel “meh” about. I’m always saying: Forget HIM! What happened to ME? Where did I go? I miss… ME!

I am aware of the co-dependency tendencies that exist within me, due to the double-whammy of losing my father at a young age, and then being controlled & manipulated by an older “friend” with Borderline Personality Disorder. I’m amazed I have any self-esteem left. As for my mother, HAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Actually, I used to think the woman was a female Satan, but she isn’t really harmful at all. She just had a lot of growing up to do, and so did I. We get along wonderfully now, although she can still get cranky if she’s forced to socialize with me for too long. But she’s older, so she’s entitled, lol. It’s amazing how much I adore her now, and accept her as the flawed (and frankly hilarious) human being she is.

I, too, believe that the punishment for the Narcissist is that they are their own worst punishment. Anyone who gets “close” to them will see through the facade, and question the broken promises … and any time that facade is questioned, the famous rage is triggered. I actually cornered him once and pressed him for explanations, thinking I might uncover the true him. Boy was I right, with a capital “F”, which stands for the stream of profanity he spewed out at me! I was torn between pity, horror, and amusement. Honest to god … Mister Screaming-Your-Head-Off-Jerk … get some meds. Wowzers.

And think about it – every Narcissist is actually a FAILED Narcissist. Not only do they have an incredibly uncool and undeveloped “true” self to shield from the world, but as I mentioned before, they think they’re “special” and “unique” … and they’re all cut from the same mentally disordered cookie cutter template. “Special”? “Unique”? “Extraordinary”? #FAIL #FAIL #FAIL

I want justice, I want revenge, I want to see him in person so I can wring his fat neck, grrr!!!

I am still deciding what to do. I am torn between waiting for him to write to me again (because he said he would, right? And I can take all the checks he ever wrote to me to the bank, RIGHT?), and writing a big fat long letter that calmly and rationally explains to him that I do not wish for him to ever write back to me, as I could never accept someone so untrustworthy as he proved to be his entire life. It would need to be a carefully worded letter, using as few words as possible, and as little emotion as possible. That’d hurt him. Or perhaps it would feed into his delusion of self-grandeur (well … it’s not really delusional … he IS important to me, I DO obsess about him) … but most of all… I feel it would give me a sense of closure, and I really really REALLY believe I need that.

Or, I could take a page out of a Seinfeld stand-up routine, and order a dozen pizzas to be sent to his house every now and then, for years and years and years. ~~Tee hee!~~ (Wow, that’s as evil as a Dr. Evil plot, lol.)

Until I can figure out what to do to start to heal, I think that bonding with others who have been through this experience is a very good start. I really could use a good virtual btch session, where we take these jerks we gave our love, souls and trust to, and give 'em the verbal bashing they deserve… btchy drag queen style.

This was an awfully long venting session. Thank you for letting me have it; I hope I didn’t bore anyone by going on for so long!

Hoping we can all find the path to ourselves again,

J’Nean










I'll add to my answer - I still find myself wanting some sort of justice. Ex NPD accumulated a lot of assets through his marriages - and what I left behind enabled him to ensnare another educated, financially healthy woman. I actually made contact with a previous wife and she helped me a lot - and is still angry about that marriage even though for her its now 11 years since it ended!

What I am sure of is that each narcissist is truly alone and lonely because they can NEVER be who they truly are. I would say even that there is no-one in - they are a shell an empty set of cunning facades. There is no real person in there for anyone to connect to. So my consolation is that they are their own worst punishment.

Think about it. In my circumstances ex has accumulated half a pension fund/ a small business and a large house by marrying women who earn good salaries and who support him (he's not keen on working himself). But would I want to be him? Not in a million years. I might regret my own financial losses that make my retirement less financially comfortable but I would never want to be him.

I left him almost 4 years ago after discovering the infidelity. Luckily we had gone to therapy and our psychologist recogised the narcissism - I had no idea what was going on and was trying to find this wonderful person I had met 5 years before.

Through therapy I learned about his narcissism and the therapist supported me through leaving and divorce. I am less obsessed but still think about him and have to tell myself NOT to ask about him. He moved onto his next victim within months of me leaving.

This is how I have reduced the obsessing - both frequency and intensity.

What has REALLY helped me is not analysing my relationship with him but analysing my childhood and why I failed to spot the dangers. Because my ex NPD also took most of my money I have had to move back in with my mother - very revealing. Now I am able to see her narcissistic streak - how she is lovely, kind and nice whilst I do as she wants - then when I try to assert myself in any way how she gets cold, withdrawn and critical.

If you want to recover and reduce your obsessing I suggest therapy to help you recognise and assert boundaries - then go home for a week or two and try asserting your new boundaries with parents. Once the patterns are laid bare it helps in recognising its not HIM you are obsessed with but the sort of person he is and how he treated you. That process helpes create a'distance'. I have found it incredibly helpful in recovery.

Best wishes to you all - I know my family do not understand the hold he had on me or the subtlety of the emotional abuse. I regard myself as 'recovering' rather than 'recovered'. I intend not just surviving but thriving!

Well it’s been 5 years for me and I still obsess over him. But I just can’t give in. His birthday just passed and I didn’t contact him. It about killed me. I just have to keep telling myself that he’s an empty person . He can never be in love with anyone. A Narcissist has no capacity for that. I know if I contact him he will act as if nothing happened. I’ll only be opening myself to another downfall. God it’s amazing how they get under their skin. It’s as if they are a part of you. Hang in there. Think of the bad times. I know they exist and so do you. That cold look, the mean things they said to you, the way they put you down. It goes on and on and you know it!

Here I just wrote to you last night and bingo he called. Apparently he needs his dose of Narcissist Supply. Well I stood there and listened to the phone ring. Then it finially stopped. Then I waited for it to start ringing again. And so it did. He needed to leave a voice message. It’s been about two hours and I still haven’t listened to it. You see I will be admonished for not calling or sending him a birthday card. I know him and his tactics all too well. Maybe thats what you should do. If you really know him , you should know how to play his silly game. I know what he thinks, what he’s going to say , and what he’s going to do next. When living with him he turned me into him. I ate what he liked, drank what he liked, disliked what he disliked. It took me almost a year to find myself after he decided to "discard’ me. I didn’t know who I was. He changed me so much. But now its our turn. We are in charge. You can call him, answer his e-mails, answer his phone calls and then you will be the loser. He’ll keep coming back over and over just to end up hurting you over and over. Is that what you want? Nooooooooooooo. You’re better than that. You deserve better. We all do. Good luck.

How fantastic for you Judy. Mine called me yet again . When I didn’t answer he called back to leave another voice message. Three nights before he sounded sick. Now he sounded fine. Hmmmm He decided that I must be out of town or something was wrong with my cell phone. Keep guessing mister. I’ve been in control for the past 3 years and I intend on keeping it that way.

First lesson I learned - cut yourself off - NEVER contact. I learned to use my lawyer only. He can play the games much better than I can - he's had more practice.

Second - how much do you value yourself? To pay for therapy I resorted to living in one rented room instead of an apartment. BUT I deserved therapy/needed therapy. I have very little money - couldn't afford health care but the therapy - I paid for. My therapist offered me a cut price deal - he's the guy who realised ex was NPD. I come first these days - I pay for whatever I think will help me including therapy/massage/ an art course/ a course on positive psychology - whatever it takes to help me thrive. My advice - put yourself first on each and every occasion. Its almost Narcissism without the lack of empathy.

Like Judy I keep busy - getting really fit helps on several levels. The activity boosts my mood/ I feel better and I look better all of which helps. I also did (and will do again) more classes and lots of reading.And right now I am trying to find a house. I left my home when I left him and it took three years in the courts to get back even part of the assets/money I had invested. But getting back enough to be able to plan my future has helped - it means I look forward not back. Once I'm settled in a new area I will attend classes again.

Its helpful to vent and soooooo helpful to meet/talk with others who have been through it because its so hard to put into words how the game playing keeps you so off balance. Family and friends who knew you as a couple don't often see that behaviour and they can't fully understand. I think that mental isolation

is part of the suffering when its over. I was on my own trying to make sense of behaviour that was not about relationship but about control. Therapy helped so much - although the reading and talking helps with understanding, it doesn't always help the emotional processing - I went through some EMDR to help with that.For those who can't afford therapy try EFT - you can find free downloads of how to do it for yourself - you don't need to pay some-one unless you want to go really deep.

I have to tell myself that there is no relationship/ he is history/ he is the past and be firm with myself when I find my mind wandering there.

Here's one thing I did do last summer which helped my sense of justice - I had volunteered with the local victims' advocacy service to help out a few hours a week in the safe house.They had given me advice during the marriage as his rages got more frequent and I was fearful of a beating. I went through some of their training which also helped and I met other women who had been through so much worse that I did - where it had become physical beatings. However I decided to raise money for them by doing a parachute jump. The connections they had got me 2 radio interviews and 2 newspaper articles with my photo explaining why I was raising money for them. I named no names but did state how much they had helped me escape an abusive relationship by giving me advice. I know he saw the articles - and aquaintances who heard the radio interviews came and asked me questions. It wasn't about just causing him grief it was also about getting my story heard because I know how good he is at twisting situations to put himself in a good light. When I left, it was secretly because I know how vindictive he can be so very few people knew my reasons. Now they do and they can judge for themselves. Doing that certainly helpd me feel less vengeful and that some justice has been served. So find a local group that helps abused women - because what you go through is verbal and emotional abuse and that often escalates to physical abuse.The director of the local victims' service I accessed believes all abusers have at least narcissistic traits so you can find help and maybe even some free counselling there.

Sorry this is so long I hope it helps some one out there!

Well guys, for me it's been 10 years, and I AM OVER HIM! It takes a long time when somebody dumps you quickly and then marries another. That's what happened to me after a 5 year relationship. But I rarely think of him now.

Maybe once or twice a week I do, but you will see. Other problems and situations will arise that will take your attention away from him and the situation that he put you in. Your mind will go in other directions.

You can help this occur faster if you keep busy, even take a class at night, or join an exercise group that meets on certain days (no health clubs) I just sit and stew and never go!!!

Life DOES go on and all I can do is hope that I have learned some lessons from what happened, share with others, and bring more happiness to the world in any way that I can. We are all stuck here together, LIVING, so we might as well make the most of it. He is only one of approximastely 3 billion males on this earth. Find a good one, and one that is not only a male, but a MAN.

Judy

Why did they pick us? They go after attractive, lonely, low self esteem, passive women. After all we have to look good on their arm as they parade us around. They have to be able to shape and mold us to be what they want us to be. They are handsom, charming, funny, and everything we ever wanted in a man. Then the facade starts to crumble. Those slight remarks, that feeling that we aren’t good enough, let the mind games begin. We find ourselves not being able to breathe without them at our side. We must be perfact. We join their facade. If we get out of line they pull the dreaded “silent treatment”. It breaks our heart and scares us. But we stay with them. God knows why. By now they own us. He encourages you to make decisions, but puts you down for them. His ideas are always better. Hollidays are a disaster. Only he can make you happy, not a holiday. As far as confrontation goes, thats a joke. He suddenly became someone I had never seen before. The look on his face was amazing. Such anger like I had never seen in a man before. I thought he was going to kill me. How dare I try to confront him. How dare I try to dictate to him. From that look and attitude he suddenly became very calm and changed the subject! As we parted that day I thought I would never hear from him again. Silly me! Several months later he started to stalk me. While eating outside one day at work, he walked up, sat down and acted as though nothing had ever happened. I was stunned. This has gone on over and over again for years now. I finially put 1500 miles between us. It’s helped a lot. Now it’s my turn to be in charge. I call the shots. Some day that man will be 90 years old , in a wheel chair, chasing every woman in a nursing home. lol He’ll play the same game with them as he has with all the others. Mine had a 4 and a half year relationship with another blonde before me. For the last 2 years of their relationship he was flirting with me. I didn’t know about her. He hurt her terribly. He moved out in the middle of the night. She was devistated. Within 8 days of that he asked me out for the first time. Nasty man. But we all know that they have no feeling. They are empty. Sad for them, awful for any woman who gets in their way. And I went against the advice not to tell them that you know what their “issues” are. He evaded every bit of it. Said I should stop reading the book I was reading about it. (Malignant Self Love) Now I use him the way he used me. If I want to see him when I visit home, I do. That way I get a free motorcycle ride. lol The last day I was home I didn’t answer his calls and there were many. With each one he grew angrier. I could hear it in his voice. Mind games with him and only him, YES. I have seen the wrath that he has caused in so many womens lives. I cry for the woman before me. It nearly killed her. She is still obsessed with him. My heart aches for her. Yes he traveled hundreds of miles to see her several years after leaving her. It only served to enforce her fantasy about them. He just keeps using her. :frowning: So do I feel bad about using his tactics against him ? NO What goes around , comes around.

Dear JNean, Victim, Jackie 56: Don’t try to play their games. You can’t win. They are always ahead of you. I learned that by my openness, I gave him all the info he needed to be the best I ever encountered. It’s true, one moment you feel like Cinderella and then you drop 10,000 feet w/o notice. From everyhting I’ve read and therapy, all you Can do is ignore their calls, emails, etc (change your email address). NO CONTACT. If they find u, do not respond. I drove by his house yesterday, I don’t know why. He was on the front patio (he has an inherited eye disease and going blind, which is his hook w/the ladies) and sees better than he lets on. He saw me and turned toward me as I passed. U know, I didn’t care that I was seen. It felt good. He’s still in my head and will be for a very long time. Change churches? There’s only one of my denomination where I live and it’s the only one who’s theology matches my beliefs. I turned it over to God because I just can’t deal with him. I can’t let my life stop because of him. I’ll keep on trying because it’s all I can do to get him totally out of my mind, heart and life.

Dear All


I am Ariel Santrini and I have just started blogging on the subject-silverboundary.wordpress.com.

It took me a long time to find peace and happiness after the narcissist left. 18 months of not seeing him, this is how I did it:

contacted him only when I was very strong to tell him goodbye and that there were no hard feelings, not caring if he replied or not. When he did reply I chatted at first but when he text a few days later, I ignored him and got my power back.

refused to have any contact with him and ignored his texts.

changed my surroundings and stopped visiting places where he might be

read up on the disorder and realised he is sick and can never make anyone happy.

learned to appreciate my life and make myself happy

decided I will move on and find someone new and will work on myself until I meet the right person

Turned down dates with guys that I knew were not right for me and were not seeking committed relationships.

Journalled every evening to gather my thoughts.

set high goals for myself and set out to be the best I could be