Dear Forum,
Dear JNean,
Wow, reading your post brings back so many bad memories. I truly can feel your pain and am so sorry you are still in the war. I remember the obsession I had with him and at times, I felt as if I had to hold on to my furniture to keep from running after him. We only really dated about 3 months, but I have been in the battle since meeting him in 2007, first to stay away from him, and then when I regained strength, to keep him away from me.
I read everything on Narcissism I could find. An especially good book for me was "Why is it always about you?" by Sandy Hotchkiss, LCSW. There were times when I hated him, felt sorry for him, loved him, admired him, you name it, my emotions were all over the place. One thing I had to come to terms with was that feeling they give to you when you initially get back together with them. It's like they suck everything out of you, but in a moment they can fill it all back up and then some. When I finally realized that everything I morned for and thought I needed wasn't real. That is what makes the Narcissist so cunning and devious. They know exactly how to build you up, but in the same breath, can take it all away with just a look or a word. In a normal relationship, after a break up you would go through a grieving process and untimately healed and move on. Not with an N. There is no closure. They never admit to being the problem, so you are always left hanging on.
I hope this helps JNean. I want what I have walked through to help make another person's life easier.
Blessings,
Teresa
Dear Victim,
Ok. Now I have to stop laughing. I finially listened to his voicemail. He thanked me for the birthday card, which of course I didn’t send. Then to further try to put me on a guilt trip he said he has the flu and feels terrible. I just have to stop laughing. He’s so preditable. Maybe I’ll answer him, maybe I won’t. If I do it will be late at night when I know he’s asleep. Then I don’t have to talk to him directly. I’ll leave a voicemail. It’s my turn to play mind games. Lord knows he played enough of them on me. About drove me crazy. Like I said before, you can put yourself in charge. God I have to stop laughing! But not right now.
OMG, Victim – are you ever in the driver’s seat!! All you have to do is ignore his voicemail and all will be well. There is nothing they hate more than being ignored. He thanked you for a bday card you didn’t send – bwa ha ha – he is fishing for your attention. Which you’re not going to give him. The satisfaction of knowing how much he’ll stew over that ought to provide you with the good feeling of empowerment you deserve to have.
Teresa, Victim, & Jackie,
I'll add to my answer - I still find myself wanting some sort of justice. Ex NPD accumulated a lot of assets through his marriages - and what I left behind enabled him to ensnare another educated, financially healthy woman. I actually made contact with a previous wife and she helped me a lot - and is still angry about that marriage even though for her its now 11 years since it ended!
What I am sure of is that each narcissist is truly alone and lonely because they can NEVER be who they truly are. I would say even that there is no-one in - they are a shell an empty set of cunning facades. There is no real person in there for anyone to connect to. So my consolation is that they are their own worst punishment.
Think about it. In my circumstances ex has accumulated half a pension fund/ a small business and a large house by marrying women who earn good salaries and who support him (he's not keen on working himself). But would I want to be him? Not in a million years. I might regret my own financial losses that make my retirement less financially comfortable but I would never want to be him.
I left him almost 4 years ago after discovering the infidelity. Luckily we had gone to therapy and our psychologist recogised the narcissism - I had no idea what was going on and was trying to find this wonderful person I had met 5 years before.
Through therapy I learned about his narcissism and the therapist supported me through leaving and divorce. I am less obsessed but still think about him and have to tell myself NOT to ask about him. He moved onto his next victim within months of me leaving.
This is how I have reduced the obsessing - both frequency and intensity.
What has REALLY helped me is not analysing my relationship with him but analysing my childhood and why I failed to spot the dangers. Because my ex NPD also took most of my money I have had to move back in with my mother - very revealing. Now I am able to see her narcissistic streak - how she is lovely, kind and nice whilst I do as she wants - then when I try to assert myself in any way how she gets cold, withdrawn and critical.
If you want to recover and reduce your obsessing I suggest therapy to help you recognise and assert boundaries - then go home for a week or two and try asserting your new boundaries with parents. Once the patterns are laid bare it helps in recognising its not HIM you are obsessed with but the sort of person he is and how he treated you. That process helpes create a'distance'. I have found it incredibly helpful in recovery.
Best wishes to you all - I know my family do not understand the hold he had on me or the subtlety of the emotional abuse. I regard myself as 'recovering' rather than 'recovered'. I intend not just surviving but thriving!
Well it’s been 5 years for me and I still obsess over him. But I just can’t give in. His birthday just passed and I didn’t contact him. It about killed me. I just have to keep telling myself that he’s an empty person . He can never be in love with anyone. A Narcissist has no capacity for that. I know if I contact him he will act as if nothing happened. I’ll only be opening myself to another downfall. God it’s amazing how they get under their skin. It’s as if they are a part of you. Hang in there. Think of the bad times. I know they exist and so do you. That cold look, the mean things they said to you, the way they put you down. It goes on and on and you know it!
Here I just wrote to you last night and bingo he called. Apparently he needs his dose of Narcissist Supply. Well I stood there and listened to the phone ring. Then it finially stopped. Then I waited for it to start ringing again. And so it did. He needed to leave a voice message. It’s been about two hours and I still haven’t listened to it. You see I will be admonished for not calling or sending him a birthday card. I know him and his tactics all too well. Maybe thats what you should do. If you really know him , you should know how to play his silly game. I know what he thinks, what he’s going to say , and what he’s going to do next. When living with him he turned me into him. I ate what he liked, drank what he liked, disliked what he disliked. It took me almost a year to find myself after he decided to "discard’ me. I didn’t know who I was. He changed me so much. But now its our turn. We are in charge. You can call him, answer his e-mails, answer his phone calls and then you will be the loser. He’ll keep coming back over and over just to end up hurting you over and over. Is that what you want? Nooooooooooooo. You’re better than that. You deserve better. We all do. Good luck.
How fantastic for you Judy. Mine called me yet again . When I didn’t answer he called back to leave another voice message. Three nights before he sounded sick. Now he sounded fine. Hmmmm He decided that I must be out of town or something was wrong with my cell phone. Keep guessing mister. I’ve been in control for the past 3 years and I intend on keeping it that way.
First lesson I learned - cut yourself off - NEVER contact. I learned to use my lawyer only. He can play the games much better than I can - he's had more practice.
Second - how much do you value yourself? To pay for therapy I resorted to living in one rented room instead of an apartment. BUT I deserved therapy/needed therapy. I have very little money - couldn't afford health care but the therapy - I paid for. My therapist offered me a cut price deal - he's the guy who realised ex was NPD. I come first these days - I pay for whatever I think will help me including therapy/massage/ an art course/ a course on positive psychology - whatever it takes to help me thrive. My advice - put yourself first on each and every occasion. Its almost Narcissism without the lack of empathy.
Like Judy I keep busy - getting really fit helps on several levels. The activity boosts my mood/ I feel better and I look better all of which helps. I also did (and will do again) more classes and lots of reading.And right now I am trying to find a house. I left my home when I left him and it took three years in the courts to get back even part of the assets/money I had invested. But getting back enough to be able to plan my future has helped - it means I look forward not back. Once I'm settled in a new area I will attend classes again.
Its helpful to vent and soooooo helpful to meet/talk with others who have been through it because its so hard to put into words how the game playing keeps you so off balance. Family and friends who knew you as a couple don't often see that behaviour and they can't fully understand. I think that mental isolation
is part of the suffering when its over. I was on my own trying to make sense of behaviour that was not about relationship but about control. Therapy helped so much - although the reading and talking helps with understanding, it doesn't always help the emotional processing - I went through some EMDR to help with that.For those who can't afford therapy try EFT - you can find free downloads of how to do it for yourself - you don't need to pay some-one unless you want to go really deep.
I have to tell myself that there is no relationship/ he is history/ he is the past and be firm with myself when I find my mind wandering there.
Here's one thing I did do last summer which helped my sense of justice - I had volunteered with the local victims' advocacy service to help out a few hours a week in the safe house.They had given me advice during the marriage as his rages got more frequent and I was fearful of a beating. I went through some of their training which also helped and I met other women who had been through so much worse that I did - where it had become physical beatings. However I decided to raise money for them by doing a parachute jump. The connections they had got me 2 radio interviews and 2 newspaper articles with my photo explaining why I was raising money for them. I named no names but did state how much they had helped me escape an abusive relationship by giving me advice. I know he saw the articles - and aquaintances who heard the radio interviews came and asked me questions. It wasn't about just causing him grief it was also about getting my story heard because I know how good he is at twisting situations to put himself in a good light. When I left, it was secretly because I know how vindictive he can be so very few people knew my reasons. Now they do and they can judge for themselves. Doing that certainly helpd me feel less vengeful and that some justice has been served. So find a local group that helps abused women - because what you go through is verbal and emotional abuse and that often escalates to physical abuse.The director of the local victims' service I accessed believes all abusers have at least narcissistic traits so you can find help and maybe even some free counselling there.
Sorry this is so long I hope it helps some one out there!
Well guys, for me it's been 10 years, and I AM OVER HIM! It takes a long time when somebody dumps you quickly and then marries another. That's what happened to me after a 5 year relationship. But I rarely think of him now.
Maybe once or twice a week I do, but you will see. Other problems and situations will arise that will take your attention away from him and the situation that he put you in. Your mind will go in other directions.
You can help this occur faster if you keep busy, even take a class at night, or join an exercise group that meets on certain days (no health clubs) I just sit and stew and never go!!!
Life DOES go on and all I can do is hope that I have learned some lessons from what happened, share with others, and bring more happiness to the world in any way that I can. We are all stuck here together, LIVING, so we might as well make the most of it. He is only one of approximastely 3 billion males on this earth. Find a good one, and one that is not only a male, but a MAN.
Judy
Why did they pick us? They go after attractive, lonely, low self esteem, passive women. After all we have to look good on their arm as they parade us around. They have to be able to shape and mold us to be what they want us to be. They are handsom, charming, funny, and everything we ever wanted in a man. Then the facade starts to crumble. Those slight remarks, that feeling that we aren’t good enough, let the mind games begin. We find ourselves not being able to breathe without them at our side. We must be perfact. We join their facade. If we get out of line they pull the dreaded “silent treatment”. It breaks our heart and scares us. But we stay with them. God knows why. By now they own us. He encourages you to make decisions, but puts you down for them. His ideas are always better. Hollidays are a disaster. Only he can make you happy, not a holiday. As far as confrontation goes, thats a joke. He suddenly became someone I had never seen before. The look on his face was amazing. Such anger like I had never seen in a man before. I thought he was going to kill me. How dare I try to confront him. How dare I try to dictate to him. From that look and attitude he suddenly became very calm and changed the subject! As we parted that day I thought I would never hear from him again. Silly me! Several months later he started to stalk me. While eating outside one day at work, he walked up, sat down and acted as though nothing had ever happened. I was stunned. This has gone on over and over again for years now. I finially put 1500 miles between us. It’s helped a lot. Now it’s my turn to be in charge. I call the shots. Some day that man will be 90 years old , in a wheel chair, chasing every woman in a nursing home. lol He’ll play the same game with them as he has with all the others. Mine had a 4 and a half year relationship with another blonde before me. For the last 2 years of their relationship he was flirting with me. I didn’t know about her. He hurt her terribly. He moved out in the middle of the night. She was devistated. Within 8 days of that he asked me out for the first time. Nasty man. But we all know that they have no feeling. They are empty. Sad for them, awful for any woman who gets in their way. And I went against the advice not to tell them that you know what their “issues” are. He evaded every bit of it. Said I should stop reading the book I was reading about it. (Malignant Self Love) Now I use him the way he used me. If I want to see him when I visit home, I do. That way I get a free motorcycle ride. lol The last day I was home I didn’t answer his calls and there were many. With each one he grew angrier. I could hear it in his voice. Mind games with him and only him, YES. I have seen the wrath that he has caused in so many womens lives. I cry for the woman before me. It nearly killed her. She is still obsessed with him. My heart aches for her. Yes he traveled hundreds of miles to see her several years after leaving her. It only served to enforce her fantasy about them. He just keeps using her. So do I feel bad about using his tactics against him ? NO What goes around , comes around.
Dear JNean, Victim, Jackie 56: Don’t try to play their games. You can’t win. They are always ahead of you. I learned that by my openness, I gave him all the info he needed to be the best I ever encountered. It’s true, one moment you feel like Cinderella and then you drop 10,000 feet w/o notice. From everyhting I’ve read and therapy, all you Can do is ignore their calls, emails, etc (change your email address). NO CONTACT. If they find u, do not respond. I drove by his house yesterday, I don’t know why. He was on the front patio (he has an inherited eye disease and going blind, which is his hook w/the ladies) and sees better than he lets on. He saw me and turned toward me as I passed. U know, I didn’t care that I was seen. It felt good. He’s still in my head and will be for a very long time. Change churches? There’s only one of my denomination where I live and it’s the only one who’s theology matches my beliefs. I turned it over to God because I just can’t deal with him. I can’t let my life stop because of him. I’ll keep on trying because it’s all I can do to get him totally out of my mind, heart and life.
Dear All