The Narcissist is Above the Law
http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/narcissisticabuse/message/4983
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From: “wastedyouth” npd-cpt6799@lists.careplace.com
To: palma@unet.com.mk
Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2007 1:47 AM
Subject: Re: [npd] Can Lobotomy cause NPD or Psychopathy?
OLD ideas?
These articles were written recently.
I am beginning to wonder whether you get ANY of your facts accurately. Guess
not.
Sambot
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From: “wastedyouth” npd-cpt6799@lists.careplace.com
To: palma@unet.com.mk
Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2007 12:00 AM
Subject: Re: [npd] Can Lobotomy cause NPD or Psychopathy?
Sam,
Let’s look a the concept “new”:
“Narcissists, Medication, and Chemical Imbalances” has existed since AT LEAST February 2001, and there are little people going to school already who weren’t even conceived then.
“Brain Trauma and Personality Disorders” only seems to date back to May of this year…what’s different is wonderful…
People who quote the term “pseudopsychopathic” from WWI (when, if it had existed at all it would only have meant “pseudo generic mental illness”, and not exactly make any points) shouldn’t throw out statements like this:
I am beginning to wonder whether you get ANY of your facts accurately. Guess
not.
Should they?
rolling eyes
GD
Sam wrote: The partner is, thus, placing herself in the position of the eternal victim: undeserving, punishable, a scapegoat. Sometimes, it is very important to the partner to appear moral, sacrificial and victimised. At other times, she is not even aware of this predicament. The narcissist is perceived by the partner to be a person in the position to demand these sacrifices from her because he is superior in many ways (intellectually, emotionally, morally, professionally, or financially).
From my observations, the narcissist personality is actually usually the superior. Thus their partner’s perception is correct. That partner is out of their league. Of course, there are moral positions that we are all equal in value and I would not argue that such a value works better in relationships, but all conflicts in relationships are usually about power games. My way or their way. The narcissist personality who survives at marriage probably does so because they recognize this intellectually and concede to the degree necessary to sustain the relationship. And I agree their superiority is about higher intellect, reduction in emotional feeling (left brain dominated) enabling them to more easily do what is necessary to “win†at all those social games and things necessary to achieve in our economic system. It is not simply her perception but rather a truth. Now this is talking the narcissistic personality, not the disorder.
I am not sure but I think you have one written that the medical profession is full of them. From postings of those on boards involved with them, it seems more often than not, we are talking professions requiring graduate degrees, and/or partners of reasonably high achievement, money etc. Yea the smarter, the better equipped at winning.
Would you not agree?
Oh I forgot to make my point about the position she takes of becoming the eternal victim because he is actually superior and can win at all those power games.
And as an eternal victim, she is most sensitive at suggesting that she make better choices in partners and find an equal or less if she wants to win.
(And this is Susiejo, identity is old one I forgot that existed that had stopped working, but then suddenly today, the computer somehow put me into)
PROOF AT LAST!!!
(And this is Susiejo, identity is old one I forgot that existed that had stopped working, but then suddenly today, the computer somehow put me into)
You MUST BE ME…
Who else would keep using different identities AND have the arrogance to point out that is what they are doing. Instead of HIDING it decently, as other folk do.
:o)
GD
Okay Blitxen, a bit on chemical imbalances.
Psychiatry has always been at the bottom of the medical profession. At the top is neurology. Go back to the cuckoo’s nest and those horrid practices with lobotomies. From that, realize that not everything that happens in medicine is always ethical or based on good health and science, but rather often, money.
In the late 80’s, to the plate from the drug companies was Prozac, an SSRI (Selective Seratonin Uptake Inhibitor). Hey everybody, buy Eli Lilly’s stock - the drug is worth multi billions in profits. Seratonin is a neurotransmitter identified in various processes and those involving “good” emotions. Yes - the hedonist imperative - to all feel good and no pain. So what if reality is alerted to accomplish that? So what if it is done by fucking up your biogenic amines (DNA messengers).
When the cells are full of seratonin, we feel better. So the drug blocked the uptake out of the cell altering the metabolic process. Is that good or bad? Well who cares except when you are the person like Andrea Yates who walks in and drowns her 5 children, or walks into Columbine High School and starts shooting. Much rather listen to the psychologists who are all ready to explain it had to do with their childhood.
So how do you justify prescribing it to doctors? Chemical imbalance. I think one of the biggest scientists involved in the scam was Charles Nemeroff.
But people say, yea, I like it, don’t want to hear about that, it makes me feel good. Like those who exited this board, don’t you dare challenge my taking it on the grounds it is a chemical imbalance or try to tell me it can be very dangerous and that chemical imbalance is scam science.
The Myth of Mental Illness
http://samvak.tripod.com/mentalillness.html
http://samvak.tripod.master.com/texis/master/search/?q=normal
Sam
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From: “NPDrevisisted” npd-cpt6799@lists.careplace.com
To: palma@unet.com.mk
Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2007 9:53 PM
Subject: Re: [npd] Can Lobotomy cause NPD or Psychopathy?
Now back to business…
I would argue that also, Narcissistic Personalities tend to choose partners they perceive to be “inferior” in order to preserve their sense of their own superiority unchallenged.
Hmmmm, wondering if we would get out of the tricky moral ground on superiority/inferiority (which are, after all, perceptions rather than realities) by using Dominant/submissive instead? Would that fit?
(A curious thought occurs to me that when a narcissistic personality is in the submissive position in a relationship that might work very well?
As we get older, unless we find, or think we have found, “the real thing”, it seems to become less, and less important. If you could make it worth his while in some way I think you could do a LOT worse than find a nice, submissive, narcissistic little boy (or girl) toy? As long as you take them for what they are and don’t try to read anything into them that isn’t there you have a well honed, “people pleasing” machine, who couldn’t care less whether you turn them on mentally, physically or emotionally as long as you are useful and stroke them a lot - and may I remind you that stroking one’s pets often is supposed to be exceptionally good for you.)
Back to my point…
It seems to me you have a symbiosis in which the dominant partner has sought a perceived “inferior” to make him feel good and powerful and the submissive partner has sought a perceived superior to help her “climb” while avoiding responsibility…and you could bend the genders, any way you like, on that too.
So that, when it breaks down…
GD
Actually Susiejo,
I happen to BE one of those people SSRI’s have an atypical effect on…they just indiscriminately ramp up any mood I am in, the negative along with the positive (that happens to a lot of Aspies…not ALL though).
Yet STILL I have had a shrink try to prescribe it, even after I explained…
So I had to ask him if he REALISED it would be his local McDonald’s I would be shooting up.
GD
Yea it’s bizarre the way those doctor’s are brainwashed over those drugs. I think it is ego. The drug companies promote all this erroneous information, pay for ghost writers to write bogus research, guys like that Nemeroff have personal investments in the drugs so taint their work. Doctors know this. And they’ll tell you - yea I know how bad they are. But than they still take their info from the same place. One patient after another comes in complaining of adverse reactions and the doctor says, oh no can’t be, nothing in the literature supports that. It’s that a patient does not have credentials to tell the doctor anything, and if the patient tells the doctor something that conflicts with what he has read, he just discounts even though he knows that his source is unreliable.
bumping real NPD related post
GD
Here is some real discussion of NPD to get teeth into.
GD