CP & Depression

Good morning everyone. I have been awake since 3 am, finally got up at 4:30 and decided to catch up on the postings.

First I want to thank those that gave me some words of kindness about the depression that I have had. It seems to have passed for now. Due in part to the fact that I have been able to eat (Yeah!) and get out of the house (Double Yeah!)

I had to have another ERCP last Friday. They did a sphincterotomy and placed a stent, yes another one, in the pancreatic duct.

So my thoughts/questions about depression are:

  1. Is it the pain
  2. Is it the inability to eat
  3. Is it the confinement
  4. Is it hormonal
  5. Is it the doctors that we have

What are your experiences on this? It sounds like a lot of us suffer from some form of depression. I suspect that all of the above are true to some degree.

@MrsBarbS , I also lost 2 two dogs over the last two years. I decided that I didn’t want any more because they tied me down. But after over a year without one I realize that I am just as tied down by the CP. I have been thinking about getting another one but told my husband a year ago to not let me do it. He is a man of integrity and is holding me to what I told him a year ago. So I am thinking about volunteering at the Humane Society one day a week to get my dog fix.

Anyway, I am rambling. I pray this finds all of you feeling well and happy.

God Bless and Keep the Faith,

Vonnie

It seems like insomnia might be another common factor, eh? lol Oops, please bear with me- I was messing with my computer and have made the keyboard Spanish so some of the punctuation has changed- go figure!
Vonnie, I am sorry to hear that you have been having as rough of a time as many of us have had. I am thinking that we won’t count the first week of the year as part of the New Year, okay? hehe
To your list I would add:

  1. Not being able to do some of the things I used to be able to do.
  2. Relying on others in case we have to be hospitalized.

I bolded the “have” because the only way I am going to the ER is if I am dangerously dehydrated. I would just assume be at home as long as I can get some water and meds in me by the second day. Anyway, #7 impacts me quite a bit because I have always enjoyed hiking/camping by myself in very remote areas. Now, I have to realize that someone has to be close enough to notify the authorities in case of a medical emergency. It is somewhat galling. I guess #6 affects me more in a guilty sense. I hate not being able to do my chores because I am bedridden with a really bad flare-up.

:hugs:
Warren

Hi Vonnie & All,

Guess at times depression can make you feel even more alone in this daily battle - and I do not like to sound like a victim, not at all. I have not made it through okay and am still struggling…insomnia does play a very big part with me too.

Also, the expectations of mainly friends who do not understand or even try to understand what this does to your life. I was supposed to have a procedure right before Christmas, decided to wait until this Monday but ended up requiring emergency treatment. I am not looking forward to Monday and am trying to “pull myself up” - “snap out of it” and just be thankful for all I do have. And, I am very blessed in many ways. I want to help others, that is what I have dedicated my life too…and now I feel like I cannot even help myself. I read all that I can, take each day or try to - one day at a time.

I did try to locate a counsellor and could find no one out of about 50 different providers that was accepting new patients, must be epidemic. So, I am trying to do some things for charities and volunteer doing things at home. I am also dealing with an aging dog, 18 years old and have told everyone that I do not want another pet because I too felt it tied me down…I have no one that is willing to care for him when I am in the hospital and he is just pitiful.

He cries when he knows that I am sick and cries even more when I do leave for short periods. He does not appear to be suffering, just getting older. I have had him for so long…I will surely miss him when he does go…sometimes I think he is trying to be here for me. Does that sound crazy?? Thanks all and I shall be back after my procedure next week as soon as I am able. Blessings to all and thanks for all of the support…

Jamie

Wow, Jamie, I am sorry to hear that you have friends who are so inconsiderate. I am so grateful for my wife. She understands when I have bad days and doesn’t get upset about the house not being totally cleaned or having to order out because I didn’t/couldn’t make it to the store.

I guess of my friends, there are several who give me a hard time about not being able to knock back a few beers or tease me about being lazy. I guess that it comes with the territory Luckily, I am thick-skinned and other than taking care of my family and true friends, I tend to not care what others think.

Best of luck on your procedure and please let us know how it goes. Wishing you some relief and a speedy recovery. Take care!

Warren

Hey everyone,

Thanks for the replies so far.

I went to the humane society yesterday to volunteer one day a week. Came home with a mini daschund, one year old. She is a cutie, pretty wild, but I plan on taking her to training classes. I hope to be able to get her trained well enough to be a comfort dog. Take into hospitals, nursing homes etc. Of course this has a two fold purpose. Get me out and about and when I am in the hospital she can come visit. : )

Never did sign up to volunteer.

Warren, I miss going on the long hikes. The biggest thing for my husband and me is the fact that we may not be going on overseas trips anymore. I am a little hesitant about getting out of the country, not knowing where the good doctors are if I get into trouble. My husband thinks that we can go, but I’m a little shy about it now.

Anyway, for all of us there are friends, relatives, etc that don’t understand what we go through. Fortunately I have a very supportive group of friends and relatives. Lots of people that care and pray for me. It sure makes a difference. And of course there are you guys. Thanks for your support and prayers.

God Bless and Keep the Faith,

Vonnie

Dear Volup,

I am so sorry you have to battle depression as well as pancreatitis. It could stem from any of the reasons you put forth or a mixture of them. People who have chronic conditions are very prone to depression. Take my word for it as I am no stranger to it. Being disabled for over two years due to a botched-up knee surgery brought about depression. I fought it by entering our local university and otherwise getting out more. Now I am on Lexapro for depression related to PHN (post herpetic neuralgia). It is an extremely painful nerve condition and leads to depression in a lot of people who have it. It’s no wonder you have depression. Don’t fight it alone. Get loving support as well as medical help. Here’s a big hug for you.
(((((((((((Volup)))))))))))

Love And Blessed Be,
Theresa

I feel as though those of us with pancreatitis have many reasons for depression. I remember the last bout I had I was thinking “is this my future and that of my family? A mom who ends up for a week at a time in the hospital, one who makes it impossible to truly plan a vacation or an event in our lives?” When I have been pain free it is a bit easier to be up beat but even then it always has seemed to me that there is a sword hanging over my head which is ready to fall at any time. I have a new internist and during my last hospitalization she came in to talk to me about how I was feeling about this total lack of control in my life. She encouraged antidepressants and allowed me the time to cry. I am thankful for her care. I have read several articles on the fact that chronic illness and depression go hand in hand and I truly believe it.

I also beleive Chronic Illness and Depression go hand in hand. I have had problems with Anxiety since I was a teenager, but since being dx with CP, things had gotten worse. So bad that at one point, I didn’t want to leave the house.

I talked to my Dr. and was started on Zoloft, and a low dose of Klonopin to take as needed. Things have improved so much, that we even took our first Family vacation, to Panama City Beach, Florida, this past summer.Something I used to only dream about.

I have never liked taking meds, and fought this anxiety all my life on my own, but since starting the Zoloft, I could not imagine being without it.

And this gray, gloomy, dreary weather does not help much, all I have been wanting to do is sleep:-)

Take care

Cindy in Ky

I totally agree with you, when I was in the hosp. that is when I started taking more depression medication and now I take anti-anxiety meds, along with all the others. I haven’t been eating very well since my dog passed away, and so therefore I haven’t taken my enzymes like I should be, man what a big change in my body without them, so today I started them again with crackers, a little something in my tummy so I don’t feel as bad tonight as I have over the last few months.

Well good luck to you, and I am glad you were able to express yourself, anytime you need to chat careplace is the place to be! or as always you can email me personally to chat as well…Ok big hugs and prayers to you, and hope you have a pain free evening/day…

With Love, Mrs Barb/aka-Barb :slight_smile:

Hi Cindy how are you? long time no hear…I am glad that you were able to go on Vacation, I am still waiting for that day to come for me :frowning: Anyway I again as well about the depression/anxiety, I think Zoloft is the same as Lorazapam/generic…

I have been on 0.5 for about 3 1/2 years and just had it upped to 1.0mg twice daily, but my life has been a mess so this has helped me alot…Thanks for the post, and it was good to hear from you…Big Hugs and Prayers to YOU, and hope your having a pain free day/evening.

With Love, Barb :slight_smile:

Hey Vonnie: Good luck with the new puppy. I don’t think you will have much time to volunteer. It sounds like you are going to be busy with your new dog. Saving a dog is the best kind of volunteering. Way to go! My daughter just rescued two cats from the shelter to live with her in her new apartment. I was very proud of her. Hope your new dog helps you with your pain and depression. Take care!
Ellen

Hi, all…

I thought I’d add that for me it’s the ongoing frustration and feeling like there’s no one else to even consult with or anything else left to try that gets to me the most. Pile that on top of many, ongoing losses due to this illness, and it does make it hard to deal with at times. I know that depression is common with any chronic illness, but I really find that keeping positive and laughing daily really helps incredibly-- I always refuse to ever give up, no matter what. I don’t get depressed, but I credit that to being very open with my feelings: both the happy and smiley ones as well as the sad tears and pain. I don’t hide from them or sharing them-- it saves me… really. I thought I’d copy a “Health Blog” article that’s now on my website in the archives… Hope it might help!

Love and hugs…
Lisa

“THERE ARE ALWAYS OPTIONS”

Suicidality & Depression
in Pancreatic Disease
© Lisa Bard, MSW, DAPA
October 1, 2007
www.lisabard.com

Although the pancreas is often called “the hidden organ" (because it is located deep inside the abdomen behind the stomach and is hard to visualize), it’s difficult to hide the all-encompassing feelings that often go along with pancreatic disease, whether acute, chronic or cancerous.

While the pancreas is only 6-8 inches long in an average adult, this relatively small organ can reek havoc on daily life and functioning of those who have developed one of it’s many diseases. Whether you find yourself facing acute pancreatitis, chronic pancreatitis, diabetes, or even pancreatic cancer, there is no easy solution and just managing day to day may be more than most people can handle. The physical pain that accompanies pancreatitis and pancreatic attacks or flares, the limitations on food options, the supplemental medications that are often required, the plethora of medical appointments and tests and procedures deemed “necessary" these all can lead to a feeling of isolation, helplessness, hopelessness, and in some cases, feelings of wanting it all to end so badly that suicide begins to seem like just another treatment option.

There’s no question that pancreatic disease comes with many challenges, most of which exceed any you’ve faced before¦ and likely go beyond that which your physician can truly understand and be empathetic to. One of the first steps to take when you’ve been diagnosed with a pancreatic disease is to seek out support. And this support can be through understanding and accepting family, friends, and co-workers, or can be an outside support group in your community or through a local hospital or you can go online to resources such as CarePlace (www.careplace.com) where you can find ongoing support, information, and have the opportunity to connect with other caring people who are suffering from the same symptoms and feelings you are likely experiencing.

Your doctor, whether a general practitioner or a GI (gastrointestinal specialist) may start out seeming understanding and helpful, but over time your knowledge and personal experiences will frequently exceed that of your physicians. While it’s easy to just give up entirely or consider switching providers (getting second or third opinions is never a bad idea), you may want to take the time to educate your current practitioner and take whatever steps seem necessary to advocate for yourself as your treatment continues.

It’s not unusual to run into doctors or nurses (whether in an office setting, during an inpatient stay, or at and emergency room) who may question your knowledge and label you as someone looking for medical attention unnecessarily, assert that you may be “drug seeking" when you’re in horrible, unbearable pain and are looking for nothing more than an appropriate medicinal intervention, or who disbelieve your confirmed disease entirely based on the vocabulary you’ve acquired over time or that you’re not acting like they expect you would if you were really in that much pain or having a pancreatic flare. This is often the most frustrating of the interactions you may encounter, leaving you feeling even more helpless: If the medical community doesn’t believe you or won’t do more to help you feel or get better, who will?

Again, you have to learn to be your own best advocate (it’s always a good idea to have a close friend or family member also advocate for you in case you’re admitted or aren’t in a good position to be persistent in your requests or getting your needs met). This can be extremely difficult when you’re not feeling well, let alone when your pain is over on that infamous “1-10” pain scale. Even in these most challenging times, and even when you don’t think you can take it one more minutes. This is the time you need to dig down the deepest and find something, material or metaphorical, to hang onto. Seek out a counselor or therapist to have a neutral ear so you can honestly state just how horrible you feel and how badly you want the disease to end. Or find an object that can hold some positive symbolism and that you can have with you as you travel this often rocky, unpaved road ahead.

In surveying a number of patients currently diagnosed with a pancreatic disease, most admit to having felt depressed at some point in the course of their illness, if not most of the time. Of those surveyed from around the United States and across all adult age groups, most have also felt suicidal or had some thoughts of committing suicide during the course of their disease and some retain intact plans “just in case".

So while depression and suicidal feelings are normal feeling to have when faced with a chronic, painful, or disabling disease there are alternatives that need to be considered and implemented so that as a person with a pancreatic disease, you can continue to have a fulfilling life despite your diagnosis and it’s symptoms, and don’t have to look at it as an “end," but as an opportunity.

Although most of the time it won’t seem like a viable possibility, remaining positive despite such a challenging illness is, indeed, a real option. It’s a choice; and while a very difficult one most of the time¦ it’s still a choice. You have the ability and right to choose to begin and end each day with a smile or a laugh even when you might be spending much of your time in tears and despair. Find that funny spot and don’t be afraid to laugh until the painful tears become happy ones. Find something, regardless of how small or seemingly insignificant in each day to see as an opportunity or a positive moment in that day. Take each day a moment at a time if needed, and focus not on what’s wrong like your pain or lack of a cure but on something good or beautiful or fulfilling. If you dig deep enough, you’ll find what that may be for you and use it as your daily focus point for positive energy.

While illness can be extremely draining, save some of your time and energy for those moments of hope those moments of support and begin to focus on what you “can" do, not what your limitations have become. Start a list of those things that touch your daily life that drain your energy, as well as those that provide you energy. Over time you will be able to spend more of your conscious time in that space that supports you and allows you to refocus your energy-grabbers into energy-givers. It’s there: You just have to be dedicated to finding it and not remaining determined that you “can" do what you choose to and that staying depressed and even maintaining suicidal plans are not beneficial to your healing, living, or life. Begin to enjoy every moment you can and start a new way of seeing pancreatic disease. You’re way! Don’t let anyone, doctors or medical providers included, tell you there’s nothing that can be done. You get to decide that.

Please note that www.suicide.org provides a wide variety of crisis resources and numbers (put your curser over this web address to get their directly).

Suicidal? Need Help Now?
Call 911
or
1-800-SUICIDE
(1-800-784-2433)
or
1-800-273-TALK
(1-800-273-8255)
or
Text Telephone:
1-800-799-4TTY
(1-800-799-4889)

If you’d like suicide resources by state this website should be helpful: www.suicide.org/suicide-hotlines.html

Note: You’re all so great… Hang in there no matter what, and remember that feelings are ALL okay, no matter which ones they are or how uncomfortable they can be. PS-- For a few of you who mentioned meds you’re on… I had subspecialized in psychopharmacology after my MSW degree: Some of the posts have seretonin reuptake inhibitors (SSRI’s-- antidepressants) or other antidepressant classes such as tricyclics with Benzodiazapenes (a class of meds often used to treat anxiety, but have other medical uses as well). Please, no matter what you might be taking or what you might read here or elsewhere, please, please don’t make any changes to these meds without your doctor’s knowledge and advice. Some abrupt changes can result in dangerous or even fatal outcomes-- such as static seizures. As was mentioned, some of the antidepressant classes can help with either pain or sleep as well, and can be used for this even in the absence of depression. Please also note that by some of the comments I’ve read, a few of you might be having paradoxical (opposite) reactions-- like getting more depressed or anxious-- from the very meds prescribed to prevent or treat these conditions. Again, please talk with your doc-- and don’t go through all this alone… therapy usually helps meds to work their best.

More hugs to all–
Lisa

Wow, Lisa, that was a great post. Good to see you active here if only for a short time!

Lisa,

What a wonderful post. I am going to copy the post to keep on hand for myself and others.

My new dog is helping me to get “out” of myself and out physically. It is amazing how I always feel better when I can help others, even if it is a dog.

I can say that right now I am truly out of the doldrums and feeling emotionally much better. Even the physical problems seem to be improving.

To all my friends at CarePlace - Thank you for all your support and information. I had no idea that so many of you suffer from depression also.

If I had the skill I would put a picture of my dog on. Her cute face would bring a smile to just about anyones face.

God Bless you all,

Vonnie