DEPRESSION with HEP C good read

…- " To fight off an infection or illness, the body shifts into a slow-down mode that mirrors some symptoms of depression.

In fact, scientists now think the immune response itself may even cause the mood disorder.

  • When one of psychiatrist Andrew Miller’s patients asked about receiving the best drug available for treating hepatitis C, Miller said: “No way.” The patient in his early 20s and accompanied by his mom to the appointment had no job, few friends and a history of depression.

While Miller knows that hepatitis C patients often benefit from the new generation of immune-boosting treatments, he’s keenly aware that those same immune therapies have a strong tendency to bring people down and, in people predisposed to depression, dangerously down.

  • Immune cells secrete cytokines that trigger inflammatory responses.

But when cytokine levels in the brain stay high for too long, people susceptible to mood disorders may develop depression.

Cytokines released in the body may enter the brain directly, by passing through leaky areas in the blood-brain barrier, or indirectly by initiating a chain reaction of “middlemen” that lead to brain cells called microglia releasing cytokines.

Cytokines may alter mood by changing brain processes and levels of brain chemicals such as serotonin and dopamine. Synthetic version of interferon-alpha and interferon-beta, used to treat cancers, hepatitis C and multiple sclerosis, may engage the same pathway

… - Certain immune proteins in the body appear to mess with the minds of otherwise healthy, but depressed people as well.

Those who suffer from major depression have higher levels of cytokines, immune proteins the body makes to fend off infections and to patrol the body for disease, and which laboratories mimic.

Excess cytokines have also been found lurking in the postmortem brains of suicide victims.

“It raises the issue, how much of how we feelhow much of who we are as people is dictated in terms of our immune system?” says Miller, a researcher at Emory University in Atlanta.

…- " Though the connection between the body’s immune response and depression has only gained firm support in the last five years, it’s already catalyzing a revolution in antidepressant drug development.

In hindsight, an emotional reaction to surging immune molecules does not seem so surprising.

Cytokines are among the first immune proteins to respond to infection. Some direct swelling and fevers.

Others order the body to rest, and so the sick take to the bed and decline party invitations, showers and even homemade dinners.

The powerful molecules influence wants and needs by altering levels of substances like serotonin in the brain.

Essentially, cytokines command the body to conserve energy when it’s sick. “A little depressed behavior is a survival mechanism in that sense,” Miller says. But when inflammation is artificially or erroneously triggered, prolonged sickness behavior may morph into depression and do more harm than good.

Figuring out the biology behind depression should help doctors combat the disorder, which strikes an estimated 14.8 million American adults each year, according to the National Institute of Mental Health.

  • More than one in six individuals will experience major depression in their lifetime.

And when depression coincides with chronic diseases like multiple sclerosis, cancer or diabetes, patients’ conditions are less likely to improve.

Psychiatrists and pharmaceutical companies have noted the downpour of evidence linking inflammation to depression.

Miller says he and his colleagues have considered creating a new diagnostic category: Major Depressive Disorder with Increased Inflammation. To combat this depression, he says, researchers must find a way to alter the body’s immune response.

It is a risky strategy but one that offers hope to the nearly 30 percent of all depressed patients who don’t respond to the antidepressants currently on the market."

I think conditioning exercise should be part of treatment. Stretching does help and the deep breathing…
Sending all my bestest hugs and sweetest smiles
Peace
River

wonderful information. My depression didn’t hit until a few weeks after I
ended my interferon/ribavarin therapy - probably the whole immune response
thing as well. I am curious - you seem to know so much - I am currently on
Cymbalta. I’ve had seizure like episodes and my neurologist trying too rule out
possible causes, as I have a brain tumor and really messed up vertebrae in
neck. She took me off Tramadol one week and then this week Cymbalta. My
reaction to being off Cymbalta was overpowering. I only made it two days - I felt
so awful - not depressed - but physically so tired, lots of pain, and my
head was spinning and buzzing like crazy - and aching - couldn’t take it. I am
wondering how I will ever get off this stuff.

In love and light,

Patsy

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…- " To fight off an infection or illness, the body shifts into
a slow-down mode that mirrors some symptoms of depression.

In fact, scientists now think the immune response itself may even cause the
mood disorder.

  • When one of psychiatrist Andrew Miller’s patients asked about receiving
    the best drug available for treating hepatitis C, Miller said: “No way.” The
    patient in his early 20s and
    accompanied by his mom to the appointment had no job, few friends and a
    history of depression.

While Miller knows that hepatitis C patients often benefit from the new
generation of immune-boosting treatments, he’s keenly aware that those same
immune therapies have a strong tendency to bring people down and, in people
predisposed to depression, dangerously down.

  • Immune cells secrete cytokines that trigger inflammatory responses.

But when cytokine levels in the brain stay high for too long, people
susceptible to mood disorders may develop depression.

Cytokines released in the body may enter the brain directly, by passing
through leaky areas in the blood-brain barrier, or indirectly by initiating a
chain reaction of “middlemen” that lead to brain cells called microglia
releasing cytokines.

Cytokines may alter mood by changing brain processes and levels of brain
chemicals such as serotonin and dopamine. Synthetic version of interferon-alpha
and interferon-beta, used to treat
cancers, hepatitis C and multiple sclerosis, may engage the same pathway

… - Certain immune proteins in the body appear to mess with the minds of
otherwise healthy, but depressed people as well.

Those who suffer from major depression have higher levels of cytokines,
immune proteins the body makes to fend off infections and to patrol the body for
disease, and which laboratories mimic.

Excess cytokines have also been found lurking in the postmortem brains of
suicide victims.

“It raises the issue, how much of how we feelhow much of who we are as
people is dictated in terms of our immune system?” says Miller, a researcher at
Emory University in Atlanta.

…- " Though the connection between the body’s immune response and
depression has only gained firm support in the last five years, it’s already
catalyzing a revolution in antidepressant drug development.

In hindsight, an emotional reaction to surging immune molecules does not
seem so surprising.

Cytokines are among
the first immune proteins to respond to infection. Some direct swelling and
fevers.

Others order the body to rest, and so the sick take to the bed and decline
party invitations, showers and even homemade dinners.

The powerful molecules influence wants and needs by altering levels of
substances like serotonin in the brain.

Essentially, cytokines command the body to conserve energy when it’s sick. “
A little depressed behavior is a survival mechanism in that sense,” Miller
says. But when inflammation is artificially or erroneously triggered,
prolonged sickness behavior may morph into depression and do more harm than good.

Figuring out the biology behind depression should help doctors combat the
disorder, which strikes an estimated 14.8 million American adults each year,
according to the National Institute of Mental Health.

  • More than one in six individuals will experience major depression in their
    lifetime.

And when depression coincides with chronic diseases like multiple
sclerosis, cancer or diabetes, patients’ conditions are less likely to
improve.

Psychiatrists and pharmaceutical companies have noted the downpour of
evidence linking inflammation to depression.

Miller says he and his colleagues have considered creating a new diagnostic
category: Major Depressive Disorder with Increased Inflammation. To combat
this depression, he says, researchers must find a way to alter the body’s
immune response.

It is a risky strategy but one that offers hope to the nearly 30 percent of
all depressed patients who don’t respond to the antidepressants currently on
the market."

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patricia glad you enjoyed the article I found it very informative. I take cymbalta and have had no problems except when I ran out for 4 or 5 days and I went crazy I thought… I think you have to wean off them a little at a time. It’s surprising sometimes we take this stuff when coming off it is so hard. I can’t answer that but I do know the meds have made things possible for me. This tx has really messed with everything in my body. So I need all the help I can get.

thanks for the reply - yeah - you can feel your brain reacting when you
first go on the stuff - Cymbalta - headaches, etc. - but going off - dizzy,
kinda seizures like stuff - can’t go off I guess. I have just been told by my PT
doc that I have fibrosis in my muscle tissues- this is a direct result of
the dehydration from the Tx - since I drank more than 110 oz of water a day -
ended up with a hole in my tongue was so dehydrated - I would like to push for
all treatment clinics, docs, etc. to IV hydrate patients at their once/mo
blood test and evaluation appts. This is my 3rd round of PT since I went off
TX in 05/06 - and it seems the docs don’t even realize this is happening to
folks.

In love and light,

Patsy

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patricia glad you enjoyed the article I found it very informative. I take
cymbalta and have had no problems except when I ran out for 4 or 5 days and I
went crazy I thought… I think you have to wean off them a little at a
time. It’s surprising sometimes we take this stuff when coming off it is so
hard. I can’t answer that but I do know the meds have made things possible for
me. This tx has really messed
with everything in my body. So I need all the help I can get.

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I know I had profound dehydration and was IV staturated in the hospital but when I felt the DRY coming on again I ask for an IV and they said no drink more water. I did but still ended up with Sjogrens
I take EVOXAC 3 times a day, it helps alot. Talk to your dr. about it.
You sound like you have sjogrens too. Dry mouth, eyes, internal organs… I feel like a raisin most the time remembering when I was a juicy grape. hahahahahhaa
Good to chat with you stay in touch girl.
hugs,River

I finally switched back to cymbalta. I tried zolof due to headaces but after awhile it just wasn’t helping. So what did I try, double dosing and triple dosing, only to find it made things worse. So I was relieved to learn that increasing isn’t the answer but switching the meds is. So much for the self medicatitor in me lol . And I’m back on even keel again . Good thing cause I got 10 months to go still (UGH !!!)

Well - I just found out I have fibrosis in all my muscles - and some other
soft tissue - most likey to the treatment. I’m having ASTYM treatment at PT
doc - it hurts. Anyhow - that explains the ridges and lumps of pain
everywhere. I still think it’s from the dehydration - I will ask about Sjogrens and
the EVOXAC thank you - River.
In love and light,

Patsy

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I know I had profound dehydration and was IV staturated in the hospital but
when I felt the DRY coming on again I ask for an IV and they said no drink
more water. I did but still ended up with Sjogrens
I take EVOXAC 3 times a day, it helps alot. Talk to your dr. about it.
You sound like you have sjogrens too. Dry mouth, eyes, internal organs… I
feel like a raisin most the time remembering when I was a juicy
grape. hahahahahhaa
Good to chat with you stay in touch girl.
hugs,River

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One of the best things we can do for the muscle and joint aches is to do some light exercising and stretching. My first round of treatment my whole body just wouldn’t stop aching. I would use my exerciser ball and just use it to stretch my muscles out. To just drape my body over it , frontways , sideways backways , all over and breath deep and exhale deep helped a great deal . And you can do it while watching tv . Just don’t slip and roll off the ball !!!

I believe this with everything in me!