Feeling crazy

Hi everyone,

I am extremely new to this. In fact I have just checked out this site for the first time. I am so relieved to find a place to talk about this. I am in the process of leaving my husband of almost 25 years. I believe him to be a narcissist however I am just new to all of this information and am going off of what I am reading in relation to his behaviors. I don’t think he will ever admit to any sort of personality disorder so I’m going off of my own and my childrens opinions of what sounds like him. Narcissistic behaviors with controlling behaviors fits him perfectly. In fact it’s almost scary how much it sounds like him.

Anyways, like I mentioned, I am in the process of leaving. I am going to look at an apartment tomorrow and hopefully will soon be moving out. I am terrified of how he is going to retaliate. To complicate the matter even more, we have a 20 year old son who was hit by a car 9 years ago. He was left with severe traumatic brain injury. This injury has left him completely dependent for all of his cares. He is unable to speak or do anything for himself. So, I need any advice I can get in regards of how to best protect my son and myself. How do I leave with my son? What do I have to do to protect him? He is going to do whatever he can to get placement of my son or use him to hurt me. He has just for the first time gone and put in an application for getting hired as his aide. You see when my son turned 18 we as his parents are able to be paid to take care of him. So, I now know that he is planning something. My husband has not taken care of my son except for rare occasions where I am not able to and or we don’t have another aide to cover. My whole world evolves around my son and I am his primary care giver. I make all of his appointments, I make sure there is coverage, I tend to all of his cares when I am home with him, I buy all of his necessities and I do all of the paperwork. I haven’t had a choice of this, this is how my husband chose it to be for me. He is more worried about working on his cars and what he feels is important at the time so he left my sons cares up to me as he did with raising our 3 children. I was like a single mom. My lawyer said that now that my son is an adult they will look more at who has been taking care of him but I am so afraid that he is going to whitewash everyone that they will believe that he is the best father that ever walked the planet and decide to have him involved in his cares on a full time basis.

You see my fears in this matter came about the first time I was going to leave him. He had the guardian believing that I was coaching my children and that I was the manipulating one. They went with 50/50 custody with the kids even though my daughter hated him. They said that her and I were grudge holders and that yes, he wasn’t the father of the year but he really wanted to do better and he was willing to learn. This is also the same man who was arrested for trying to keep his family from getting help by pulling the phone cords out of the walls and held my arm so tightly as an attempt to keep me from leaving in HIS car that I had a full hand print on my arm for weeks after. We also stayed in a shelter for two weeks waiting for a restraining order and access to the house without him there. All of this because my daughter wouldn’t go outside and hand sand our 1/2 of a mile long driveway. So needless to say, I haven’t had the best experience with the courts in getting them to see him for who he really is. He is so good at what he does that sometimes he even gets me to feel sorry for him.

The second time I left was because our daughter was 16-17 years old and was becoming increasingly depressed. I feared that I was going to lose her either by her running away or suicide. So I left and took the kids with me but ended up both times going back because I fell for it. I truly believed that it would be better and he was acting so much like the man I married and loved. He was saying all the right things, doing all the right things and made me feel like I really was important to him. The sad thing is slowly and slowly things went back to the way they were. The garage and cars were always more important. We didn’t do anything unless he wanted to do it which was very seldom. He seems completely content with me sitting in the house, taking care of our son and having limited friends. Whenever I needed something done, he wouldn’t do it for years. Something as simple as hanging a big cabinet in a bathroom. The cabinet just got hung up now and has been sitting on the floor for 4years. It seemed like everything I wanted, especially things that I really wanted like him going to bed instead of always sleeping on the couch snoring every day, he would continue the behavior. There was never any giving in. No compromising, no nothing. If he wanted to sleep on the couch he did even if the aide was there forced to listening to him snoring over the t.v. I just don’t understand how things can get so twisted and distorted.

How can a human being have so little regard for the person they swear they love? I don’t understand the twists and turns of all of this. I did everything for him. I even had to put up with having sex in the same bedroom that our son slept in. Believe me it has not been pleasurable for me in the slightest way. My disabled son slept in the same room as us because there were no other rooms on the main floor and I didn’t want to be on another level in case he needed me through the night. It just seemed the more I wanted something the less interest he showed in ever doing it. Now it’s been 9 years since my sons accident. We talked about adding onto the bedroom 8 years ago to allow for some privacy. I have asked him several times but nothing has been done about it. Now we are in battle again, he thinks we are making up and so now he suggest me to let him know my ideas of how to add on to the bedroom. It’s like being slapped in the face. I don’t get it.

Anyways, thanks for listening to me babble on. I just needed to vent and get some outside input. After awhile I start to wonder if it isn’t me who has lost it. You know?

Thanks again,
photomems

i have no advice, I am so in it right now. I just spent the past 3 hours curled up in a ball crying and I feel like I am dead.

you sitation is a million times more than mine with more complications and I wish that I could do something and wave a magic wand, i don’t get it either, and everyone keeps saying we just need to accept it.

but I don’t want to accept that another human being can be so cruel.

so, maybe someone else here will have something more profound to say but my heart goes out to you and everyone here is wonderful each with a different story but all the same kindness within and empathy.

There’s alot of women on this forum with families so I hope someone will come forward with advice. I don’t have any children but I don’t think there’s a way to escape the path of an enraged manipulative narcissist. My stepfather (diagnosed with Bipolar disorder and Narcissim) took my mother through hell when they divorced. He got custody of the kids and took her to court for child support. She turned the tables on him in court, got her kids back and had him paying child support. She got the kids but never got a dime from him. He’s not allowed to leave the state with all the child support he owes. A key factor in the reversal was the interviews by child welfare services. At the end of the interview process it was obvious who was the primary care giver. I think you should keep your husband in the dark as much as possible. Get a good lawyer and get very familiar with the custody laws. Lawyers don’t always care enough to really fight on your behalf. My mom did wonders by educating herself, she couldn’t afford a lawyer and the state lawyer was overworked and uninterested. If she didn’t come to her own defense she would have lost custody. This is war! From now on keep your own council. The less he knows the better. Also, keep your head on straight, when he tries to upset you don’t take the bait.

I am actually at a loss for words, I know how N’s inflcit pain on everyone they come in contact with but I can’t think of a worse postion to be in. My heart goes out to you and your son. I agree with doubledee and think you need to plan this very well before you even try to leave, don’t give off any clues. Read everything you can about this disorder so you can have some idea how his messed up mind works. It is not you, he has the problems, try not to let him get to you, he is sick, not you.Check out all the laws that apply for your state concerning divorce. Did you son receive any kind of settlement for his long term care from the car insurance company of the person who hit him or from the state for his care. We have a special insurance fund in Pa. that built an addition for a friends son who was paralized in a car accident. They added on a bedroom, special bathroom and ramps for him. Is there anything like that in your state. Are there any state agencies, americans with disabilities that you can contact or can offer you any help at all with your son. Do you work, will you or have you been his primary care giver, does your husband work full time.Are you positive your husband will want to take care of your son on his own, most N’s are just not that giving, or he will do it just to mess with you.Is there any agency, doctors that can help you get custody in his best interest.If you can afford it a very good lawyer, research on line about custody when you have an adult disabled child. You are not crazy, we can vaildate that for you for sure. I am so sorry for what you have had to endure, you have more strength than you realize to have come this far. I am here if there is anything I can to do to help you. Hugs mamolie

This is a website for women’s law. I’ve given you the link to the page that actually gives tips on how to safely plan to leave an abusive, or potentially abusive, relationship. I’ve copied and pasted the infor below, also. The entire site has good resources, though. If you fear he looks at where you have been on the computer, clean off the history portion of your computer. Usually tools, internet options, browsing history (delete it).

http://www.womenslaw.org/safety3.htm

General Guidelines for Leaving an Abusive Relationship

Make a plan for how you are going to leave and where you’re going to go. Make a plan for leaving if you have time to prepare. Make another plan for leaving if you have to leave in a hurry.
A worker at a domestic violence organization can help you make a plan to leave as safely as you can. Also, Leaving Abuse Safely (www.leavingabuse.com) can help you think of ways to leave safely.
If you’re going to leave secretly, plan ahead and cover your tracks. A domestic violence worker and Leaving Abuse Safely (www.leavingabuse.com) can help you come up with plan.
You can ask the police to escort you out of the house as you’re leaving. You can also ask them to be “on call” while you’re leaving.
Put aside as much emergency money as you can.
Hide an extra set of car keys in a place you can get to easily.
Get a bag together with:
spare car keys;
your driver’s license;
a list of your credit cards so that you can track any activity on them;
money;
phone numbers for friends, relatives, doctors, schools, taxi services, and your local domestic violence organization;
a change of clothing for you and your children;
medication that you or your children usually take;
copies of your children’s birth certificates, social security cards, school records and immunizations;
copies of legal documents for you and your abuser. This may include social security cards, passports, greencards, medical records, insurance information, birth certificates, marriage license, wills, and welfare identification information;
copies of financial documents for you and your abuser. This may include pay stubs, bank account information, a list of credit cards you hold by yourself or together with your abuser;
the evidence you’ve been collecting to show that you’ve been abused; and
a few things you want to keep, like photographs, jewelry or other personal items.
Hide this bag somewhere he will not find it. Try to keep it at a trusted friend or neighbor’s house. Avoid using next-door neighbors, close family members, or mutual friends. Your abuser might be more likely to find it there.

If you’re in an emergency and need to get out right away, don’t worry about gathering these things. While they’re helpful to have, getting out safely should come first.

As you are leaving

As you’re leaving, grab the bag you hid, your driver’s license, any checkbooks, and credit cards if you can. If there’s time, take the originals of documents you might need - like birth certificates, social security cards, legal documents and financial documents.
If you’re in an emergency and need to get out right away, don’t worry about gathering these things. While they’re helpful to have, getting out safely should come first.

Create a false trail. Call motels, real estate agencies, and schools in a town at least six hours away from where you plan to go. Ask them questions that will need to be answered by them calling you back. Give them your old phone number.

Leave when your abuser will least expect it. This will give you more time to get away before your abuser realizes you are gone.

Thanks to everyone for the advice. I am heartfelt at the level of concern. Thank you so much for taking the time to converse and for caring enough to share.

I do have a lawyer and I am getting copies of some of our financial records. I am also playing the game that everything is ok so he is being extra nice right now. My children are older. My daughter is married but lives in our basement. They are moving out in the middle of this month. My other son is going to college and is planning on moving in with me when I move. My biggest concern is my disabled son.

You are right, my husband doesn’t really want to care for him he will just want to hurt me and he knows he will be able to do it with him. If he got placement of him he would just hire out for aides to do his cares. I am hoping that the judge will take into consideration that I am his primary and full time care giver. However, because my husband has put in an application for hiring so that he can get paid and recognized as a caregive I’m leary of what he’s up to. I guess I am just so afraid of what he’s going to do and after getting railroaded the last time, I’m afraid it’s going to happen again.

I am very afraid of leaving. I’m not sure how it will all play out. Because I do have my own portrait studio, I have a business account that he does not have access to and locked filing cabinet that he does not have access to so I have been keeping files and my credit cards etc in there for now. After the last split, we kept seperate checking accounts. I am still on his but because mine is a business he is not on mine. However, just two weeks ago he cleaned out my business loan and our savings for a total of 6thous leaving me with 112.00 plus what I had in my checking account. He took the money and put it into a savings account that I had no access to. I was furious and penniless to get a place of my own or a lawyer but I realized one day that I still had his codes for his on line banking saved in my computer so I was able to access his on line banking and transfer from his savings, which I don’t have access to, the money that he took from me. Needless to say he wasn’t too happy and was upset because I took a thousand more out than he took from me and even more upset that the money I took was actually from his car money he made from a car sell. That’s when I found out he has another savings account that I had no knowledge of. Well, I did manage to get my money back although he threatened to take me to court over it because the bank had mentioned that he could since I wasn’t supposed to have access to his savings. He said that the bank would just let it go in the negative and because my name is on the account it would hurt my credit.

Anyways I was able to finally reason with him and get him calmed down. Now I am just acting like I am trying to work things out and trying to keep things calm.

I hate these mind games. I feel like I am going to go crazy. Trying to stay one step ahead of him and always watching my back and always looking to see if he is watching me. always the fear of getting caught. I hate it, I hate it, I hate it!!!

I am not this person he is forcing me to be. I feel like I am going to lose my mind.

This insanity is totally insane. I just don’t get it. I hate living like this and having to be so secretive and sneaky. I am just not like that. I don’t want to be this person. He is being so nice right now that it is really messing with my mind. He looks and sounds so sincere, so caring that it is so confusing. Are you guys sure I’m not the crazy one here? If it weren’t for the fact that I was feeling like a stepford wife a couple of weeks ago I really would think it’s me and not him.

Oh,I’m going to drive myself cazy and everyone a long with me if I don’t stop. I’m sorry guys, I am so messed up with emotions right now and yet I so need the support. Sorry for sounding crazy, I’m just hurt, confused and scared I guess.

My mother who lives in Michigan is coming for visit tomorrow to stay for a week so hopefully she will help me stay grounded and hopefully I can get out of here while they are here. The physical support will be nice.

Well, now that I have gone crazy, lost my mind and come back again I think I will close this for now. Thnks for all the advise and I am planning on checking out the law information. I guess I will be doing a lot of research and more sneaking around. :slight_smile:

You never have to apologize, we have all been through the hell and on the emotional roller coaster and questioned our sanity. You are not this person, but sadly you have to be this way to do what ever you need to do to get away safely.It is who and how you have to be for now, till the real you can come back. They can be nice when they need to be, it is an act and you know it can not last for long, so don’t be taken in by his act. Please check in with us, we can validate your sanity and your reality, hard to do when you live in their world and reality. I know you feel crazy but you are not, we know exactly how you feel , that is where they get you, when you have no one to validate your reality.You could also check with a domestic violence center near you if you do fear leaving him to get some advice from them. Explore ever avenue you can for help. I am here Hugs Mamolie

JUST WROTE THIS TO MY VERY GOOD FRIEND WHO IS WORRIED ABOUT ME…

I HAVE TO TELL YOU WHERE I AM IN THERAPY. I AM DOING THIS THING
CALLED EMD. ( EMDRIA.ORG)
IT IS USED WITH PSTD (POST TRAUMA VICTIMS OF WAR!)… IT IS REALLY
COOL. SHE USES VIBRATIONS ON MY LEFT AND RIGHT LEGS AND YOU GO TO THE
POINT OF WHERE IT ALL WENT WRONG IN YOUR LIFE…YOU GO INTO A
TRANSE LIKE STATE…

( IT TURNS OUT THAT MY 16TH SUMMER IN MAINE, IS WHERE EVERYTHING
WENT SCREWY ).

UNCLE NUTS SCREWING BABYSITTERS
UNWANTED COUSIN, WHO WAS SUICIDAL AT 5
SEVERELY ALCOHOLIC BRO
CODEPENDENT MOM TRYING TO PUT ALL THE PIECES TOGETHER
NARCISSTIC BRO-- WHO COULD DO NO WRONG, BUT HAD SEVERE ISSUES
NARCISSTIC DAD- WHOSE FATHER WAS IN WWII AND HAD PTSD, BROTHER BLEW
HIS BRAINS OUT BECAUSE HE WAS GAY, GAY HANDICAPPED BROTHER, SOMANTIC
NARCISSIST BROTHER

AND ME TAKING IT ALL IN LIKE A BIG GIANT SPONGE…AM I
CODEPENDENT-ABSOLUTELY…TO A FAULT. ANYONE WOULD HAVE BEEN!!!

I DON’T THINK I HAVE EVER CRIED SO MUCH DURING THIS TRANSE. MY
THERAPIST WAS CRYING. (NOT GOOD) AND THAT IS SAYING
SOMETHING… COMING OUT WITH ABUSE IS REALLY, REALLY
SCARY (AS YOU KNOW)…BUT I WAS LITERALLY A DUMPING GROUND EVER
SINCE MY MOTHER DIED.

THE BOTTOM LINE IS, MY BROTHERS AND DAD ARE PISSED THAT I AM ALIVE
AND THAT MY MOM ISN’T. BUT I CAN’T LIVE LIKE THAT ANY LONGER. I
CAN’T COMMIT SUICIDE TO HELP AIDE THEIR
ANGER.

WE ARE SUPPOSED TO OWN OUR SUMMER HOUSE TOGETHER FOR TAX PURPOSES
NEXT YEAR … I HAVE DECIDED TO BE NUMB AND LET MY HUSBAND HANDLE
IT…IT DOESN’T MATTER IF I GO OR NOT…THEY CAN’T FORCE ME
TO GO…AND I NEED TO KNOW THAT 1/3 OF ITS CONTENTS WILL BE
MINE…

MY ABUSE WAS NOT SEXUAL…IT WAS NARCISSISTIC, WHICH IS
VERY HARD TO EXPLAIN TO OTHERS WHO DON’T UNDERSTAND IT AND DON’T LIVE
IT…THERE ARE MANY WEBSITES REGARDING THIS TYPE OF
ABUSE…I AM FULLY AWARE OF IT THOUGH…

TO SOME, IT ALL SEEMS LIKE I AM MAKING IT UP FOR PITY’S SAKE, BUT I
AM NOT… WHY WOULD I WANT TO BE THIS WAY? IT GETS ME NOWHERE!!! DO
I WANT PITY AT 40 FROM MY FAMILY AND FRIENDS? WHAT IS THE POINT?
MAYBE 20 YEARS AGO, BUT NOT NOW… I HAD MANY, MANY,
MANY YEARS OF THIS STRANGE TWISTED ABUSE…

On Oct 3, 2007, at 9:24 PM, mamolie wrote:

bup, it may be painfull and terribly sad but those negative memories are in there and releasing them is how you start to feel better. It is post traumatic stress, we had to learn how to store away so many bad memories, I explained it like I had a filling cabinet in my brain where I filed all the bad things, and did not think about it again, except bad things were on going and I had no more room in my fileing cabinet, bits and pieces started to fly out of the cabinet. It is a survival skill to deal with the trauma. When I finally found the answer for all my suffering, NPD, I went back through so many memories, I could finally make sense of all the senseless things that happened, I cried for months, working through it all, I finally released all those memories. It was not always obvious abuse, it was the twisted reality and mind games, never knowing what was going to happen, confusion, nothing was normal, that did the most damage. It is hard but part of the work to recover from it all. You are not alone, do all the work and you will be well and free, they will no longer be able to hurt you, they are sick, you are not. You can recover, they can not. They are losing their power over you every day, they can’t control you any more. Hug mamolie

Photomems,

You are not crazy. All I can say is educate yourself as much as you can about this disorder. It helps you to know what you are dealing with and how to protect yourself. So many of us here have been or are going through the same thing as you. It hurts the most when your helpless children have to be involved and don’t have a voice. Definitely look at all of your legal avenues. Document everything, especially the care of your son. I am currently in a war to save my two kids from the emotional abuse from their dad along with his attempts to alienate them from me. I sit and rack my brain about how I can prove these things that he does since the courts don’t want to hear about my complaints and really, neither does my attorney. It’s sad that we have to be the one to jump through hoops to prove the truth. That’s what dealing with a narcissist is all about. My X-N fought me for half custody of my kids because he didn’t want to continue paying “me” child support and he also knew that it would kill me to have my kids taken from me for more time. It wasn’t because he suddenly became Dad of the Year or had a change of heart after he could have cared less about spending more time with them up until a year or two ago. Don’t put anything past your N. He may just try to fight you in the care of your son to get the extra money and to hurt you as a bonus. Prepare for the worst and pray for the best. I have gotten to the point that no one else is going to help me. I have to prove these things on my own (with God’s help.) Hopefully, you will find an attorney that cares about your situation and understands. You find out how strong you really are after all. What helps me when I start to fall into the trap that maybe I’M the crazy one is to come to this message board or read everyone’s stories. We all have the same story. Our N’s all act exactly the same way. It’s empowering to know that you’re not the only one dealing with this. You are not alone!

What a great word sam used in one of his postings:

My new favorite word!

confabulation
A confabulation is a fantasy that has unconsciously emerged as a factual account in memory. A confabulation may be based partly on fact or be a complete construction of the imagination.

photomems,
i am astounded by your courage and i have never been as moved by one person’s comitment to their children as i am by yours. you seem to be a very strong and determined woman and it your strength and the love you have for your kids that will bring you through this to the other side. i wish i had answers for you but i have not had to deal with family law and in florida things are pretty simple. 50-50 and you do not have to prove a reason for divorce. i will keep you in my thoughts and grace to you for all you have been through and what you are willing to go through for yourself and your kids. i do not believe that he knows what he is up against and that will be his downfall.
good luck

I second Jacy! You are amazing! You can do it!

Now crazy is a word and a feeling we all know for sure!

I am going through it right now!

I am doing things I have never done in my life, I am wasting so much time trying to educate and protect myself and then trying to spend so much time doing my life while trying not to go crazy!

I actually thought that I was going to die from loosing my mind!

Winning back the love of a guy who dumped you isn’t easy. It’s not enough to just want him back, you’ve actually got to make him want you as well. Getting his attention might be easier than you think, but it also may involve moves you never really considered. I have gone through the process and was were i got the chance to win my guy back and i would recommend his services to you all…Malanie