Ranting and venting

I can’t really say why, but getting over what happened in my past relationship was easy for me, at least compared to the problems I see other people having. There was pain and obsessive thinking and lots “whys” and “what the hells”, but overall I handled it well. I’ve gone exploring more of my past though and seem to have opened some serious cans of worms, and its sent me into a bit of a daze and deep depression. You gotta do those things to do any kind of healing though.

You might see me occasionally defending NPD, wanting to be respectful of mental illness, preaching forgiveness and what not… but when the topic of my father comes up you’d find me filled with a large amount of anger and rage. I hated him, and apparently I still do. I ran across a website which is basically a “victims of compulsive hoarders site.” It seemed silly at first, but I quickly realized what I share in common with these people and how mental illness can create some serious issues and dysfunction. They say they share much in common with “adult children of alcoholics.” Its not a stretch at all. They are all probably dealing with forms of OCD more than NPD, but there is an uncanny resemblance to NPD in hoarding… an obsession with objects is more important than people or their lives or feelings. Perhaps I’m just hypersensitive to narcissism nowadays; I suppose any obsession or addiction that destroys and takes over lives just has an NPD feel about it.

Its weird in that my mother was serious abusive, and I’m not all twisted up about that. Perhaps thats because I got used to it at a very young age. But I absolutely hate my father and disowned him because of these things. Having to parent adults is just wrong; Having to grow up and live your life full of gigantic amounts of fear and stress is just wrong. They should teach about abuse in schools, and how to properly raise children and not screw them all up emotionally and mentally, and how to recognize when its going wrong.

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Sam

thro my whole divorcey shenanigan thingy, there is one thing that has pissed me RIGHT OFF.

Kids being USED, and in my opinion ABUSED. The system allows it.

Smack your kid and your a criminal, smack me and your a criminal.

But emotional abuse, with PROOF…who cares. Nobody.

The system is all fucked up.

I didnt have a love fest with my mother for most of my life from adolescence through until my therapist training. That cleared up ALL of my misgivings and anger. Now I feel not just loving but protective and nurturing toward her in her old age. I’m thankful for that. But its not hard for me to remember how I felt about her before that.

In contrast I should have been angrier with my father but I have a difficult time feeling anger even as I retell what failings he had as a parent that seem larger in comparison to my mother.

Except for being left alone quite a bit as a child, neither of them were abusive to us. I’d be thankful but I know what effects that has had on my personality to this day. We all have our crosses to bear I suppose.

I think theres some kind of opposite-gender-parent bond that interferes in that to some degree.

I never thought hoarding would have such an impact on kids, but of course it would. The addiction to objects at the expense of people is clear. And I agree any addiction turns a parent into a narcissist, because easing their own cravings and withdrawls makes them the sole focus of their own lives, children became secondary if not further down the list.

I know you said therapy isnt an option right now, but youre interested in it. I have suggested this before, and will again. Many MANY therapists take financially starpped clients on a sliding scale (pay what you can afford). Its worth calling around and asking.

I’d be interested in hearing what it was like as a kid in that kind of environment,if youre willing to share more of your story.

I love what you said about hoarding objects. When my father
bought another wooden bird for himself for Christmas and bought us nothing, I just knew this was a mental illness. I can’t imagine anyone else putting themselves in that scenario with their child. And when he made me pet the mahogany to feel how soft it was, I knew that I just couldn’t be wrong and that I had twisted everything. Pheonix, you are right on with the “objects” being more important than human feelings. My brother has the same problem. My Quaker education relieved me of this and my mother was determined to shove morality down my throat. I could care less about materialism. All I care about is that my children have balance in their lives. I am obsessed that they know that I love them equally and don’t compare their talents. I am going to be ultra aware of being judgemental of their talents.

Yes, therapy isn’t an option at the moment. Even with a sliding scale its still not something I can afford, and there are more important things to focus on at the present time. I’ve been working on my financial situation for quite a long time though, so the future looks brighter. The way I’ve lived my life in the past has caused lots of damage and its quite a lot to repair.

I never really thought hoarding was that big a deal either, until I actually thought about it. Although its different than NPD, it shares a lot in common in how it can affect everyone. I’ve been reading things about it like “doorbell dread,” where you get intense feelings of dread everytime you hear a doorbell. Its a side effect of growing up that way.

In my house the hoard eventually took over. Its something kids can get ashamed and embarassed about, and it tends to be a gigantic secret that your family keeps from everyone. You can never let people in your house or have friends over for company. As a child I rememeber kids wanting to come over and play with me, or wanting to just see my room ro where I lived, and I’d have to refuse and not be able to offer much of explanation. Nobody ever really knew why we wouldn’t let them in the house.

My mom would nag my father about it, and we’d occassionally complain, but you’re dealing with a mental illness. If you mess with this persons hoard you will end up suffering or being punished. Just like with NPD, you’ll find yourself being blamed for the other persons actions. It was my moms fault and my fault the house was messy and junked up. It was never his fault.

Eventually the hoard engulfed the whole house and you couldn’t even move around. Cock roaches eventually took over and there wasn’t much you could do about it. My father always said the stuff was valuable, or said he’d buy his own land one day and would eventually have a farm and he was going to move it all there. After he passed away I realized how unrealistic that was. It took scores of people to clean up the mess, rented dumpsters, a week long garage sale… and countless weeks to repair the damage. And this came after the city hied a team of workers to forcefully clean out the outside and charged us by putting a lean on the house.

Its hard to explain what I hated about my father. He didn’t yell at us, and he didn’t curse at us, and didn’t really beat us. He didn’t emotionally berate us like my mother. But yet, as a kid I installed a dead bolt on my door and locked myself up in my room and refused to leave. Until my mother was gone, or my father drank himself to unconciousness it wasn’t safe to leave my room to eat, to go outside, or to even make a trip to the restroom. In the thirty second it takes to walk from your room to the bathroom, my father had a way of destroying your soul with a demand or comment. Getting my father to take family responsibilities or act like a father should was more like a negotiation. If you want or needed something from my father, you had to give into insane demands. Otherwise, he’d make you suffer by witholding something. It was manipulative, and deameaning, and a very controlling way to do things. He’d tell people we were bad kids who didn’t behave or do what they were told, but in a way, we weren’t. We were revolting and standing up to him. Nobody wants to be controlled or micromanaged or forced into relationships with somebody. Nobody really wants to listen to a guy who spends all day with prostotutes and porn and alcohol, and then shows up to complain about you and boss you around… and you have to comply or you will not be provided for.

So, you just ended up locking yourself in a room and never, ever, coming out to face anyone. Most kids snuck out the windows in the middle of the night. I had to do it in pure daylight. You learn to be ashamed of your home, and dreading it. You dread going home, and you dread being there.

There a nice youtube video here on hoarding:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=65xcUgj3wsU

It sad, cuz when I saw that video I didn’t think that house looked bad at all. Thats clean by my standards. And some of these people are just dealing with OCD or senility. My particually situation had some NPD or BPD tossed in, with some pornography and some alcoholism and tons of other crap.

Heh, I could probably go on about it forever. There’s no end to the stories I could tell.

dont know what to say…

cept am sorry

and to send you love and hugs

xxx

Aww, thanks =)

It all seems bad, but due to the wonderful world of abnormal psychology the brain has some amazing ways of dealing with such things. They don’t serve you well in adulthood, but as a kid I was kept pretty safe and oblivious to my situation with fantasy and imagination.

Yah, it is pretty messed up. Maybe people tend to look at the “immediate danger” aspects and don’t really see the long term effects of things. Cuts and bruises heal, but the other things don’t always go away so easily.

Ya know, in relation to my past relationship, none of what my ex did was technically against the law. Its not against the law to manipulate, and lie, and to cheat. To the extent of which it was done though, it was just as horrible as tihngs that are. I wish there was a relationship court I could take my ex to and have her proclaimed guilty in front of an audience.

“We the Jury find you guilty of narcissism in the first degree!”

I wish there was a relationship court I could take my ex to and have her proclaimed guilty in front of an audience. "We the Jury find you guilty of narcissism in the first degree!"

 

I have said the SAME thing to my therapist numerous times!!!  I'd settle for a settlement rather than jail time though.  :D

A settlement?! For like, money?! I could see that, but I was just hoping to get her to admit she was wrong about everything. I’d even settle for her admitting she was wrong about just one thing. A check would be nice too, but a “bad relation partner” jail term would be nice too. Then we could do background checks on dates. “I see here you were fired from your last relationship and aren’t eligible for redating?”

I have an idea…lets combine our tastes for justice, they get convicted, have a record that can be checked and verified…and instead of jailtime they get ordered to make restitution to their victims.

sounds good to me…who’s in?