Sharing Custoday With N-ex

I check this board every now and then, but haven’t seen much about anyone sharing custody with a narcissist. I have two children 8 & 9 years old and have been separated and divorced from their dad for 6 years. I finally became aware of narcissism and put a name to my pain last year.

I’ve long since moved on with my life, now remarried to a wonderful man and have a one year old, but I’m being tormented again from my ex by his abuse to my children. He managed to get half custody from the courts last spring and my kids are being severely manipulated and alienated from me. He is emotionally abusing them as well. My son is now having a terrible time in school (doesn’t want to get out of the car and leave me) and cries at school. Last year he was on the A honor roll all year with no trouble at all.

My ex is so skilled at manipulation of my kids that he is “flying under the radar” and I get the feeling people think I’m the crazy one. All the while he’s accusing me of the things that he’s doing to me (projection). The judges here don’t want to be bothered with parental alienation. The just want to get their paycheck, get you out of their court as fast as possible and go play golf. Both of my kids are big in sports and have numerous practices during the week.

On my week with the kids, my ex-n shows up for every practice and tries to take over. During his week with the kids, the kids are afraid to come say hello to me or show affection because they know their dad is watching. He calls our house continuously leaving messages and when he does talk to the kids, he keeps them on the phone forever. Since this has become such a disturbance to our family time, I’ve had to shut the phone off and put a time limit on him. When he goes over the limit, I have to unplug the phone. It is all so much about control.

Like I said, I’ve moved on, but it’s breaking my heart to see my children suffering. They are so innocent and can’t defend themselves. They don’t know that they are being manipulated. Does any else out there know what I’m going through? I’d love to correspond if so. I feel so helpless fighting the system.

Hi. I also have multiple children with my N ex husband. When we were married, I was an at home mom for almost 10 years. My ex did not take much interest in the kids or school, or anything else for that matter. He could not even name one of each of the kids teachers prior to our divorce. We have been divorced for over seven years. He also has 50-50 custody. I was named as “primary custodial parent” which drives him INSANE. He suddenly became the dad who pretended to be interested in the kids and their schoolwork, teachers, etc. He attends all of the open houses, used to attend all of the practices. We went to a carwash fundraiser for my son for a group he is in at school. Guess who was there drying off the cars!! YEEEAAAHHH. Anyway…it is a part of the sickness to gain the adoration of people around them. I have finally got to the point where all of that work he does to try and be super dad…that is fine. Good for him. I do what I feel is necessary…and consistant with what I have always done…volunteer in the kids classes…help with their homework…go to their games and events, etc. I don’t kill myself to over-volunteer, etc. Yes…there are many people who think he is awesome, super dad, mr. wonderful, but I know the real him. If anyone asks about my situation…i tell them, otherwise, I let them think what they want.

My suggestion to you is that you be happy that he is involved…even if it is fake. so many people are surprised that our kids are products of a divorce, because they are so well adjusted. I attribute that to the fact that we are both involved in their lives. yes…he calls and texts them OFTEN. I believe it is to annoy me. I try to not let it bother me.

We both remarried last year and since then, his new wife (no kids) tries to pretend my kids are hers. If he could cut me completely out of their lives, he would. He has tried to prevent us from taking our last three family vacations and we have spent over $4000.00 in attorney’s fees just to have the judge tell him to knock it off. he has tried to undermine my authority by “rescuing” one of my sons when he got mad at me when I tried to hold him accountable for slacking off in school. he tried to use the police and justify his picking up my son. The police told him to bring our son back home (in our state, the police DO NOT get involved in custody disputes…fortunately, this policeman saw through what he was trying to do).

Also…when he has the kids…try to enjoy the time you have alone with your husband. My husband and I take frequent vacations and spend a lot of time …just the two of us.

When the kids come back home…make a HUGE effort to talk positively about their dad. Don’t put him down. When they get older…they will know who was truly there for them. My kids know that he is weird about them calling me to talk to me when at his house. They know to come to me when they need something…not him. They eventually see thru that. Be the best YOU can be and try to ignore the stupid, annoying things he does to try to irritate you.

I went thru years in court trying to show that he was not doing school work with the kids and causing problems, but the courts really did not care. They only cared that they were with both parents. My daughter told me the other day that she has three small school projects this year and one major one. She said that she will do the two small ones at “dad’s house” and wants to do the one remaining small one and the major one with me. THEY KNOW who is there for them.

I think you are correct to limit the time on the phone.

My ex was evicted a little bit after we got divorced. He told the kids that it was my fault he was evicted. I did not even live there. One of my sons believed these lies. It is tough to hear all of these lies about you…knowing the ex is totally manipulating and trying to gain sympathy at your expense. I remind myself all of the time that the kids will always love their mom. Just do your best and they will eventually see.

Yes, it is difficult to see your kids suffering, but they are resilient. They have a way of surviving. It is sad and difficult, lots of tears, but JUST DO YOUR BEST!!

As far as the projecting…I also kind of find this humorous. My ex does the same thing. It used to infuriate me, because I felt like, how can I defend myself against something I did not do?? Now…i realize everything he accuses me of, he is doing himself. I use it as insight into what he is doing or plotting. If he accuses me of something…I know, really, it is what he is doing. It is almost like being able to read minds or something.

I can tell you…it is horrible…watching your kids suffer. Keep in contact with the teachers. Most schools now use email, so it is pretty easy to talk to them on a regular basis. Volunteer when you can. Sometimes, the teacher sends stuff home for me to correct, when I cannot come in the class. You can build a good relationship with the teachers w/o having to be there every day. Once you establish that relationship, you can have the teacher contact you with any concerns, etc.

Anyway…I have been rambling on and on long enough. I need to get to bed. My best advise…lots and lots of prayer and a good sense of humor.

Narcissistic and psychopathic parents and their children - click on the
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Divorcing the Narcissist, Psychopath, Bully, or Stalker

http://www.narcissistic-abuse.com/5.html

Getting Help

http://www.narcissistic-abuse.com/abuse19.html

Domestic Violence Shelters

http://www.narcissistic-abuse.com/abuse20.html

Planning and Executing Your Getaway

http://www.narcissistic-abuse.com/abuse21.html

Should You Get the Police Involved?

http://www.narcissistic-abuse.com/abuse21a.html

Peace Bonds and Restraining Orders

http://www.narcissistic-abuse.com/abuse21b.html

The Narcissist in Court

http://www.narcissistic-abuse.com/faq78.html

The Guilt of the Abused - Pathologizing the Victim

http://www.narcissistic-abuse.com/abuse2.html

Conning the System

http://www.narcissistic-abuse.com/abusefamily10.html

Befriending the System

http://www.narcissistic-abuse.com/abusefamily11.html

Working with Professionals

http://www.narcissistic-abuse.com/abusefamily12.html

Interacting with Your Abuser

http://www.narcissistic-abuse.com/abusefamily13.html

What to Expect

The Vindictive Narcissist

http://www.narcissistic-abuse.com/faq75.html

The Three Forms of Closure

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Sam
----- Original Message -----
From: “mgcg” npd-cpt5895@lists.careplace.com
To: palma@unet.com.mk
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2007 6:24 AM
Subject: [npd] Sharing Custoday With N-ex

I don’t know if I can add anything to this sense my kids are older and my former N-husband has pretty much walked out of their lives. It has been 4 years sense he has talked to any of his 3 children. They are now in their teens and early 20’s. But the one thing I started doing with them 4 years ago is that we started talking about developing good communciation skills and understanding what boundries are, healthy and unhealthy. I bought 2 books on these subjects and read them over and over to internalize these “new” concepts for myself. These conversations, I believe can take place at any age, even at age 8 &9. I believe these life skills will help all my kids if they decide to communcate with him in the future. My middle daughter did call her dad recently to let him know that he had spelled her first name incorrectly on the new health insurance he is court ordered to maintain until she is through college. She had not talked to him for over 4 years and I know this was not easy for her, but she held it together. It was her decision to call him and request that he correct the spelling of her name. She called me right after she talked with him and told me of their conversation. She realized her tone was defensive during the conversation and changed this, knowing that he would pick up on this. She recognized when he was over stepping boundries and made him aware that she would make these decisions and did not need his input. Lastly, she told him that she did not want him to contact her and when she wanted to talk with him in the future, she would contact him. She was very firm, but nice.

It’s kind of a back door approach but, talking to your kids about every day situations once you become more informed about these 2 skills helps them to see how he may be communicating with them and what is appropriate and what is inappropriate behavior. My daughter was able to pick up on this because she was now aware of things to look for; the inappropriate behavior and stand up to him. I believe these on going discussions with my kids has rebuilt their level of confidence in themselves to be able to stand up for themselves. If your kids are showing a change in grades, there is a direct correlation to their performance in school and their self-esteem or lack of. I went through this one with my son. We have talked openly about their dad’s disorder so they can process this illness and better understand what they are or may be dealing with in the future. I do not belittle their dad. I believe he has an illness and it’s all about understanding how to deal with it.

Your kids are younger but, I believe these conversations about respectful communication and allowing them to be able to recognize if he is crossing a boundry that makes them uncomfortable is critical to their self-esteem. He will be belligerent with them.They need to know that he will react this way and that it is okay for them to voice their feelings. I am still asking my kids the question, how does that make you feel. It is so critical for them to stay in touch with their feelings and be allowed to feel their feelings. The other thing I learned is that you have the right to feel and think whatever you want (they need to know this is normal and okay), but you don’t have the right to say exactly what you feel if it comes out in an attacking way. Kids don’t know this. They, as well as many adults, will just say what they feel when they feel it. It’s a learned skill and one I’m sure we all need to better master. If they are hurtful feelings, they need to be expressed but after they’ve had some time to think it through and then express it in “I” statements, not “you” statements.

I also believe that CLAKE GIRL is correct in saying what she said. It’s difficult, but I believe you need to take whatever he is throwing at you and make it bounce off vs. taking it in. Remember, he simply does not care and his communication is very hurtful. I believe N people simply lack the ability to truely care for another being. I also believe this is a psychological (vs.a physical) disease that gets passed down from one generation to the next until someone in the family stands up, recognizes what it is, and makes others aware of it. Narcissism breeds Narcissism. Your former husband did not just become this way. He was treated in a disrespectful way as a child to create the person he has become. He’s totally clueless to the fact he has a problem. My goal is to not have this illlness passed down to my kids. Changing communication habits, respecting others, recognizing the importance of your feelings and how what you do impacts the feelings of others around you, learning about boundries and later on as your kids get older discussing the “N” word, I believe is the path to healing and minimizing the impact of “N” people that will always be a part of our lives. Day by day you lead by example. Kids are very perceptive. They will pick up on what is going on, who is really there for them. You are setting limits to what is okay behavior and what is not. They are seeing this, nothing negative about his actions needs to be said. Love is a verb.

Congratulations @mgcg !

I’m amazed at the clarity with which you see the impact on your kids and I hugely admire you determination to help them grow to be emotionally healthy.

I’ve only been married to my NPD husband for 4 years - three too long because I have my own fuzzy boundaries and I thought I could get back the man I met if I tried hard enough. Its only when I got the diagnosis from the therapist 4 months ago and started reading up that I realised this is the real man - the man who courted me was a facade.

I wondered for ages about his two sons - one who doesn’t have anything to do with him and the other who despite being highly intelligent spent 8 years off the rails on drugs and a ‘dropout’. It has all clicked into shape over the last few weeks and I am busy planning my escape (minus all the money I had which he has wasted).
Good luck to everyone on this forum - I hope to be away from all this very soon

Jackie

I too have been through so much with my ex-N and my children. I am still going through it. But I have a question for all of you… my court mediator (can’t spell lol) did not seem competent enough to make such a huge decision for my children. she did not seem to consider anything just to hurry and get this over and done with… so now to my question… Did you feel that your court mediator was qualified for your situation?

this is a big question because I am try to make it a point in my case. I am writting letters to the news agencys in my area to bring it up and I wanted to know if other parents have had the same problem or concern when it comes to the N other parent.

Thanks to everyone for your supporting words. It’s such a blessing to know you’re not the only one! Thanks for listening.