Wasted Time with N

I was wondering how, or if, you deal with the concept of wasted time. I have spent about 37 years dealing with a N. Okay it has probably been less because I shouldn’t count when I was a baby.

I spend a lot of time being regretful about the time I wasted dealing with my Narc dad and most importantly the numerous pariah friends and boyfriends that I choose enter into my life when I left home.

Then of course, I spend a lot of time beating myself for trusting the most untrusting people to mentor me through my career.

I definitely had goals. I guess there weren’t that much different than other peoples. I wanted a spouse, children, a home, and maybe just a little bit of money in the bank. I don’t have those things.

I spent most of this decade working 7 days a week trying to deal with my career (or have some semblance of a career). The people in my work life were too much like family so I am floundering. Like my friends and boyfriends before, my bosses and mentors gave me plenty of warning signs that they were either moochers or vampires, but I ignored them.

I decided when I was very young to live my life pretty conservatively. I knew I didn’t want a spouse and children until I knew I could be emotionally healthy and choose a healthy husband.

I knew that being a survivor of molestation and having a Narc dad I was going to have to do a lot of work in order for me to be healthy enough to parent.

I knew I had problems stemming from childhood, but I had no idea after years and years of hard therapy that I would have so much more work to go.

I feel more confident that I could be a good mother now. The only males I was exposed to growing up was my molester/Step-Dad and my Narc real Dad so as much as I wanted children I knew that I had to do a lot of work with myself before I could even reasonably pick out a father for them.

Like many people now, I have been having financial problems along with this career stuff. 95% of the people who I supported through divorces, boyfriend issues, lay-offs ect have conveniently disappeared in this new period in my life.

Selfish people act like selfish people so of course they left now that I am at a low point. Looking back on those relationships, I I had plenty of hints about their character.

I guess what I dealing with now is the realization that I had another whole new problem with my life that I wasn’t even aware of until a year ago. Not only do I choose some nasty family members to be close with and nasty boyfriends, I also choose some of the most selfish female friends. That new sense of my life has really rocked me to the core.

I am trying not to think of the 37 years of life as a whole waste of time, but it has been difficult.

My job ends in September and I am launching a non-profit designed to help people. I am hoping that helps my mood.

Since I am really broke I pretty much do things that don’t cost money. Work is one of those things.

And of course, I have to start rethinking my original dreams. It’s funny that kids with less screwed up families dream about being pilots or rock starts. My dreams were very boring.

I imagine that must be common with incest survivors and/or being raised by a Narc.

The women in my family live to be very old and I hopefully have more decades to have one of my dreams come true. If I don’t, then I need to be grateful that even though I only have a few hundred dollars in my checking account I have a fridge full of food and a lot of people don’t even have that.

I am really just trying to be grateful for what I have and trying to make peace with things I don’t have.

I spend several days a week caring for my nieces and the kids of some of my friends that are single mothers so I get plenty of Auntie time.

Of course when things aren’t going well I start thinking about all those “what ifs.” Like where would I have been if I hadn’t been molested? What more could I have accomplished if my Mom had helped me rather than ignore the abuse? What if I had a loving father I could have gone to who would have said that I was okay rather than call me stupid?

Then I think what if I was born in a refugee camp? Or died during one of our history’s many holocausts and I start feeling very ungrateful. I also start feeling immature because nobody gets the life they want regardless of whether they were raised by a Narc, or not.

Anyway, this is a long rambling email.

I just wanted to know how others deal with idea of wasted time. Somebody posted that she was going back to college. I found that very inspiring. I think it was Nic or Bub. I can’t remember. I know others deal with issues through their art like Phoenix.

I did “I am a victim” thing for a while and that got old. Now I am doing this weird breakdown/anger thing which has been going on for almost 2 years. It is better than victim, but still so far from where I want to be.

Right now getting my non-profit off the ground is where I am hoping to do some good, but as I am writing this post, I realize that I need to take a better assessment of what I can do with my life.

It is inspiring to hear about people’s second and third acts.

Nat

I based my nick on the idea of wasted time and a wasted childhood. It would seem that being in certain environments can make it difficult for someone to live life to the fullest. I can track most of my current issues to all the time I spent worrying and dealing with dysfunctional people, when I should have just been enjoying life. I haven’t found ways to deal with it yet, so I’m also interested in how people deal with that.

has this time really been wasted…a big question…i think not!
No time is ever wasted…we just learn form bad experiences…and these experienceas just make us stronger,wiser and more aware.!
I personally think that out of bad comes good…bad things teach us something and can actually be the makings of us as human beings.
Great depth…clarity…strength…compassion…resillience…the list goes on!
I think its all down to liking and respecting yourself …liking who you are and drawring on the resevoirs of self respect,…gained by each experience dealt with.
Can the Ns in our life rely on such resources?
i think not.
Sorry if this is a bit serious…i usually like to be"lighter"about this!

Maybe it depends a lot on whether the abuse takes place in a relationship or in childhood. My childhood is something that was damaged and its time I’ll never get back or get to relive.

with respect…you are the child…we all are…just"evolved"so to speak…the Ns are still children…still time to heal
However…the childhood experience is lost…but then again,isnt the harsh world of adulthood more of a shock to those with"ideal childhoods?
My bro was idolised by his mother…and turned out a histrionic…i was brought up by an N father also…but as far as i know it…i have no N traits.
Perhaps it is different for men with N fathers though

I guess I would have to agree with you spiralupwards. I did learn some resilience, compassion, and strength from dealing with a narcissist. I am still working on clarity.

WastedYouth I am kind of feeling your post also. There is always a little part of me that will always feel a little bit like a whore because my mom turned her back on me instead coming to terms that her life partner was sexually abusing me and my Narc Dad was indifferent to my abuse. Of course, he was indifferent. He was a Narc and he would only care if he was getting molested.

Intellectually I know I am not a prostitute. I have never received money for sex, but it is that childhood stuff that creeps up at the most inconvenient moments.

I know there are millions of survivors of incest, molestation, Narc parents, domestic violence who live these productive (seemingly happy) lives so I just want to be able to figure out how they do that.

People on the other Narc sites on Careplace have been recommending the Dali Lama book. I guess I am going to have to read it even though I don’t want to. Then I am probably going to have to read all those letting go of anger books also.

My therapist tells me my anger is just fear and I have to “feel” my pain. I told him that I fear if I am not angry I will be depressed and not get out of bed. Duh of course, I little bit like anger because before I was angry I felt like this total sobbing bore with the same broken record stories.

I am scared that I will become one of those people that are always “boo who I got molested 25 years ago” “my Dad doesn’t love me. Waa! Waa! Sob. Sob. Cry. Cry” I guess bitter always seemed better than weepy, but it is better to be neither.

Also my Dad used his childhood tragedies to manipulate others so I am paranoid that people will think I am talking about my own childhood pain to take advantage of them.

It is great knowing that they are others on Careplace that are dealing with the same stuff as me. I feel like I have found “my people.” I know that sounds so cheesy.

Nat

reading this broke my heart…god knows how you feel.
I think that you have a fantastic therapist…i believe strongly that anger is fear in diguise!..constant defence…bUT anger turned inwards=depression!
Is it better to be angry or depressed/what you said makes great sense and you seem to have a real handle on this stuff
PERHAPS you dont want to be depressed because that means feeling the fear?
please go to joy2ume and have a look round…i found this so helpful…people say the inner child stuff is crap…but this site changed my mind completeley
Spiral x

Getting rid of my anger and resentment was a turning point in my life, and it was a very spiritual journey and finally allowed me to get over all the hurt and pain I was feeling. There was an absolutely wonderful thread on it at the voicelessness site. Its not easy to do though… I tried several times and failed over several years. In the end I was happier and healthier for it. As time goes on that N in less a part of my life, emotions, and thoughts.

But that was my relationship, and my childhood is a different story. I’m not really angry or bitter at all, and never have been… at least not on the surface or in my awareness. In that respect the damage was much more severe and I may always be weird inside because of it. That might be why I have less inspiration or hope when it comes to things like that. Getting over an N relationship was the biggest challenge of my life… and I think childhood abuse is going to be even more difficult.

its all about finding emotional and/or spiritual freedom dont you think…and in nats case regaining her self respect…which no-one ever had the right to try to take from her.
Wastedyouth…you seem to be free somehow…but i wonder what is the"hook"so to speak

I’m free from the hurt associated with my last relationship. Perhaps the hook is that I still have tons of issues to deal with, which are most likely just the defenses hiding more pain from me. People do and can get over horrible experiences and relationships.

I wouldn’t think of myself as free… I’m still a slave to my experiences in some ways =) I still have a long way to go.

Dear NatK,

The way you are looking at it right now is…‘Damn! I’m 37!’. But see you have much more wisdom than most 80 yr olds I know!
I’m really sorry about the crappy childhood, mine was pretty bad too.

If I may I’d like to suggest that you just start living now. I know you can never forget about the childhood and you shouldn’t since it surely gave you some valuable lessons. What I’m saying is that start living now! And you are ONLY 37 babe! Start looking at it as ONLY 37, start of a new life.

Ok, so tell me what do you like doing? What are your interests? Dancing? Singing? Exercising? Yoga? Going to the movies with friends? Just name it sweetie. And go out and do that JUST FOR YOURSELF!

yes but you are well on the way…somethink that strikes me is the sheer strength of character of people on this site…and as they say"show me the child at 7 and ill show you the man!one and the same…perhaps the pain is the way towards healing?
i dont know if/who is for/against Freud…but IF this is correct…perhaps stregthening of the ego …controls the accusing/punishing superego?..the parent voice?
I found Erik Bernes"games people play"very useful…(.child/adult/parent.ego states.)which apparently lie withn us all…!a scary thought!..perhaps the old parent tapes need to be controlled!..now is all that really matters…my buddhist brother said to our N father"i forgive you"and that put HIM in control…!

if you think that you are still a slave to your experiences…again what is the"hook"
i think that there is still time to heal…but what is the"core wound"causing the pain…i found Erik Bures 2games people play"very interesting…child/adult/parent ego states within us all.
Why should we waste any more time…which i believe is not totally wasted as we learn something …my buddhist brother said to our N father"i forgive you"…say no more…and he also says"give in to win"and “every action has an equal and opposite reaction”…it works for him

I love all of Freuds work pertaining to the id and ego, and think some of his ideas have a lot to offer when you look past some of his freakier ideas. I often feel driven by it.

I don’t know what the hook is, to be honest, or what my core pain might be or if I even have one at all. I work under the assumption that I do. I believe that most of my problems are due to how I was treated as a child and that it directs me in my life, but its still not something I’ve been in touch with. There’s always time to heal and plenty of life left to live. I’ll peel all those layers away eventually and find those things I need to work on.

Thats a great point. The experience taught me much and I have grown up because of it. I have much more wisdom now. They are lessons I would not have learned otherwise and I am becoming stronger because of it.

but your experiences could be a slave to you…servant not master…and those very experiences have made you what you are.I truly believe that "out of bad comes good"so to speak…rising to a challenge and reaping the well deserved rewards…make or break springs to mind which was said to me as a child in a negative/controlling way…but the very experiences can be the absolute makings if turned around…or am i just an incurable optimis!?

Yes we have all learned a lot, but personally,

 I would rather, have had a choice of coarses

to take, or just read the book on NPD,

understood enough to pass the coarse,

without the apprentaship or hands on

training I had. Now I know a lot about

something hardly anyone knows about

and learned the really hard way.

but boy I get it now and won't

ever forget it.       hugs mamolie

 

sorry mamolie…the previous post was in response to wastedyouths post…you are right…all the courses ,books etc.are the proverbial"tip of the iceberg"what counts is the experience itself…which brings wisdom

i an SURE that you will get there…that "eureka"moment

hi all… its been a while since i checked in and i apoplogize. at any rate, my divorce from my n husband will be final next week. yeah for me. he has tried to reconcile but i have lost all feeling for him. now i no longer even feel pity for him, amazing seeing as i am so co-dependent. i am writing this post exppress some thiongs that have occurred to me while healing. my mom is an N… a big abusive controling N… as is my brother. mu sister and i are their co-dependents. in response to the post " wasted time" i understand your anger and resentment. i am so outraged at myself and my family for spending so much time catering to their N needs and thinking that was “love”! then, out of ignorance, marrying an N… (i often joke that i married my mother. LOL) i believe that most of this anger and resentment is just part of the healing process and the cycle of grieving. once you realize that you have to let go of a relationship, no matter what the relationship… you grieve. i grieve for my lost inner child, the mother i never had, the brother i never had… etc. but along with the grieving comes acceptance. now i know that i cannot change those around me or change their behaviors. i can only change my choices. someone once gave me some really good advice on how to deal with the “crazy making” thoughts that N’s often put into our heads through their lies, manipulations, actions and behaviors. they told me to tell myself this: “His/Her actions are not a reflection of who I am but a reflection of who they are. what they do does not change who I am”. so often we take on the resposbility of other’s action’s and choices. its what we are CONDITIONED to do. now we have to reprogram ourselves and realize that what they do and say is not a reflection of who we are! so as for thinking that my last 30 years of life have been wasted years… i have to say no. i have learned so much and have so much more to learn. so wether or not this helps thanks for listening.