What could this mean

Narcissistic personality disorder
#21

Susiejo,

The LIE is that we have sex for any reason other than to reproduce

I RESENT that…I was sterilised age 22 and I have a libido that could
double as a nuclear reactor…

:o)

Mind you have this right:

That jerk is not exactly employable elsewhere.

Did you know that Macedonian PM Nikolai Gruevska had to fire him six months
before the 2002 election just to have a SHOT at the title that time
around…he never employed him again and won in 2006?

I don’t think he really wants to sell his book THAT badly…it’s just
common sense, the more books he sells, the less mucky money he can
realistically launder through Amazon et al…that’s why it’s so appallingly
badly written.

What Sam wants is to be able to show his Mummy that he REALLY is a
"Reb"…ignoring the fact that a REAL Rabbi studies for many years,
sacrifices his personal gratification to his integrity and devotes his life
to winning the respect of his community…but not Sam…no, SAM wants to
find an effortless SHORT CUT…so badly that he is still trying to find it
in his 47th year…

…oh yes, and I NEARLY forgot…

…he doesn’t want to REALLY lose me…and the only means he has to hang
onto me, is to have me constantly stalked and smeared, while he tries to
abuse other vulnerable people on such a scale that my conscience won’t let
me walk away in peace…though lately it seems more as though he is amassing
a zombie army than abusing any significant numbers of the vulnerable…

You can’t share ANYTHING here because there are so many vultures taking
notes against the day they can use what they know about you to hurt you so
they can feel “empowered” and better about their pathetic little natures.

GD

----- Original Message -----
From: “susiejo” npd-cpt7451@lists.careplace.com
To: blitzen@utvinternet.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 3:29 AM
Subject: Re: [npd] What could this mean

#22

SJ,

I am no fan of SV, never have been, never will be, I started participating on and off on this forum long before SV became a daily feature here, have not mentioned him once in this post, and his opinions and attitudes do not feature at all in my personal life for myself or my bf…

therefore I really have no idea what you are talking about???

smg

#23

Try…

“The only person who makes a connection between Asperger syndrome and NPD is
Sam Vaknin” + I have Asperger syndrome.

:o)

Doesn’t bug me, the only diagnosed NPDs I associate with are honestly THE
GREATEST…I can trust them with anything, which is more than I can say for
most of the people around here.

GD

----- Original Message -----
From: “smg” npd-cpt7451@lists.careplace.com
To: blitzen@utvinternet.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 4:09 AM
Subject: Re: [npd] What could this mean

#24

Gaye,

Sex is about reproduction. Everybody can do all this grandurismint about it. But it is just basic human functioning.

This whole thing about NPD is SCAM!! Sam is laughing as he runs to the bank. But he is only giving all the spinsters what they want to hea

Oh all you poor ladies who did fail to have the red carpet laid before you@@ Obviously you experienced an “N”.

Such bullshit!! Bullshit!!

I wish I could talk to someone who really had experienced an “N”. So stupid. All these boards are about are winning cryrinng females are can’t accept the fact it is all past them.

#25

Well, MY sex hasn’t been about reproduction since 1980…HMPF…

I know Sam’s whole NPD thing is a scam…

I just know it isn’t much of a moneyspinner…all he ever does in private is
kvetch about how nobody buys his books…believe it or not, it’s his
HOBBY…(NO KIDDING)

His REAL day job is EMBROIDERY

http://embroidermac.tripod.com/

“Capital Markets Institute” was the main Sam-scam of 1998

winks

He is SUCH a schnorrer in real life it is untrue…

GD

----- Original Message -----
From: “susiejo” npd-cpt7451@lists.careplace.com
To: blitzen@utvinternet.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 4:20 AM
Subject: Re: [npd] What could this mean

#26

Question:

What is the typical profile of a homosexual narcissist?

Answer:

I am a heterosexual and thus deprived of an intimate acquaintance with
certain psychological processes, which allegedly are unique to homosexuals.
I find it hard to believe that there are such processes, to begin with.
Research failed to find any substantive difference between the psychological
make-up of a narcissist who happens to have homosexual preferences - and a
heterosexual narcissist.

Continue to read this article here (click on this link):

http://www.narcissistic-abuse.com/faq18.html

Women narcissists

http://www.narcissistic-abuse.com/faq34.html

Narcissists are people who fail to maintain a stable sense of self-worth.
Very often somatic narcissists (narcissistic who use their bodies and their
sexuality to secure Narcissistic Supply) tend to get involved in
extra-marital affairs. The new “conquests” sustain their grandiose fantasies
and their distorted and unrealistic self-image.

Continue to read this article here (click on this link):

http://www.narcissistic-abuse.com/faq61.html

Question:

Are narcissists mostly hyperactive or hypoactive sexually and to what extent
are they likely to be unfaithful in marriage?

Answer:

Continue to read this article here (click on this link):

http://www.narcissistic-abuse.com/faq29.html

Narcissists are repulsed and intimidated by intimacy

http://samvak.tripod.com/intimacyabuse.html

http://samvak.tripod.com/journal60.html

http://samvak.tripod.com/abuse14.html

Our sexual behavior expresses not only our psychosexual makeup but also the
entirety of our personality. Sex is the one realm of conduct which involves
the full gamut of emotions, cognitions, socialization, traits, heredity, and
learned and acquired behaviors. By observing one’s sexual predilections and
acts, the trained psychotherapist and diagnostician can learn a lot about
the patient.

Inevitably, the sexuality of patients with personality disorders is thwarted
and stunted. In the Paranoid Personality Disorder, sex is depersonalized and
the sexual partner is dehumanized. The paranoid is besieged by persecutory
delusions and equates intimacy with life-threatening vulnerability, a
"breach in the defenses" as it were. the paranoid uses sex to reassure
himself that he is still in control and to quell is anxiety.

Continue to read this article here (click on this link):

http://samvak.tripod.com/personalitydisorders47.html

Narcissists are either cerebral or somatic. In other words, they either
generate their Narcissistic Supply by applying their bodies or by applying
their minds.

Continue to read this article here (click on this link):

http://www.narcissistic-abuse.com/journal21.html

Most patients with the Histrionic Personality Disorder are women. This
immediately raises the question: Is this a real mental health disorder or a
culture-bound syndrome which reflects the values of a patriarchal and
misogynistic society? A man with similar traits is bound to be admired as a
"macho" or, at worst, labeled a “womanizer”.

Continue to read this article here (click on this link):

http://samvak.tripod.com/personalitydisorders17.html

She shifts uneasily in her seat: “I like to flirt. A little flirting never
hurt nobody is what I say.”

Continue to read this article here (click on this link):

http://samvak.tripod.com/personalitydisorders52.html

Take care.

Sam

----- Original Message -----
From: “angiezee” npd-cpt7451@lists.careplace.com
To: palma@unet.com.mk
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 1:23 AM
Subject: Re: [npd] What could this mean

#27

Now let me explain why I got a LEETLE riotous last night…why trotting out
a few home truths that I just BET Sam would rather were, well, not trotted
out…

I have got to know Susiejo, she is an amazing and genuine human being who
has really been through hell through no fault of her own, surrounded by
people and situations that all the laws of nature and culture say she should
have been able to trust and take joy and pride in, that, instead turned out
to be distorted, poisonous and often abusive.

She is a proud lady, full of honesty and self respect, who doesn’t really
know where to turn with it all, she is also very smart.

When it all got too much and she wanted support and information the first
place she found was one of Sam Vaknin’s and Dhughes groups that SHOULD, by
all rights, be a caring place of integrity for people in similar positions
to her own. What she found instead was a travesty of self absorbed people
being encouraged and maneouvered into whining, manipulating, flattering and
bitching for recognition within the structure of an online cult dedicated to
fulfilling the personal needs, and gratifying the ego of one man (for want
of a better word) and a handful of his most favored followers.

Fine so far, it’s a free world, some people have a need to “belong” to sick,
dyfunctional cults. But when youn look beyond that you start to realise that
there not alternative, because Sam and his friends have ruthlessly destroyed
and overwhelmed any any every alterative source of information and support
by whatever means they could.

Now, she hasn’t said it, because she doesn’t spend even spend enough time on
feeling sorry for herself, but I’ll bet that makes Susiejo feel alienated,
isolated and a little bit hopeless. I’ll bet, strong minded as she is, that
it also serves to compound and reinforce the harmful effects of everything
else in her life.

When the irony of that get’s to her, any time I can, I’ll be RIGHT there
with her…for whatever it is worth…even if it only makes her laugh and
gives her a few moments break from the real problems she can’t find anywhere
to to “thinktank” the way she needs to.

Because somebody like Susiejo is worth ten times more than the sick travesty
that plays itself out here, with administrative sanction, and always will
be.

GD

PS, to the Person who Pm’ed me last night…I recieve notification of pms,
but I can’t access them. What Careplace have done is suspended my account so
I cannot log in to access pms, change my email settings or delete my
account, with the result that I receive all posting by email that I am not
allowed to cancel. Personal photographs remain attached to an apparently
live profile on a site I have no wish to endorse with any appearance of
support and participation with the result that I am pretty damn pissed and
convince that somebody with administrative control is playing some very
dubious little games of their own. What I can do is post by replying to the
email notification I recieve. As yet, Careplace have never once censured
anyone for abusing me here, even when by my full, real name, and to the
extent of actionable defamation.

----- Original Message -----
From: “samvaknin” npd-cpt7451@lists.careplace.com
To: blitzen@utvinternet.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 10:55 AM
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#28

Like I said, Angiezee, I know exactly what you are talking about with your NARCISSIST! And like I said, mine too is cerebral. He also did not like “touch,” hated massages, etc., including holding hands in public or not. This is not about reproduction and women no longer being women! I never looked better (after the reproductive years and I am ALL WOMAN!!! And there’s no problem with the functioning piece either!!!

#29

Mariel Lee - you know what was really weird though, when we were in public, he did hold hands and put his arm around me. Maybe that was just to protect his “property” - I have no idea. And, like you, I also have never looked better…thanks for the reality check. :wink:

#30

Bye bye…

You’ll probably be a LOT happier with the other catty little girls anyway…

Sam wouldn’t…he might get hurted…

:o(

----- Original Message -----
From: “smg” npd-cpt7451@lists.careplace.com
To: blitzen@utvinternet.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 7:43 PM
Subject: Re: [npd] What could this mean

#31

What I am talking about smg, is that every aspect of males being male from a female perspective, is being encompassed under the diagnosis of NPD, and Sam leads the charge in doing that. Whether people like him or not, they initially read his stuff, decide the label is appropriate to them, and they proceed on from there. Even those who do not read him pick it up from those who do.

#32

I think that’s a very fair assessment Susiejo.

It’s actually very similar to the way propaganda works in Politics (or
Amway - is that caper still on the go - I found it SCARY?) . People pick up
ideas and have no idea that the only place they ever came from is Sam…

Like smg last night…I took her head off, which was probably out of order
(sorry SMG - I’m still on the edge, and watching anorther hate campaign by
Sam and his minions keep playing out elsewhere does NOTHING for my
temperament, but not your fault - I hope anyway :o) ) because she always
seems to be one of the few fairly ok people round here…but thinking about
it, I don’t think she had a CLUE that the whole “link between Asperger
syndrome and NPD” was one of Sam’s little concoctions, and the only basis
for it’s creation was a desire to snipe at someone. Not me on that occasion,
it was before I was aware, let alone diagnosed. Actually, even though I knew
it was a load of bolax it still made it very hard for me to come to terms
with recognising I have AS and getting a diagnosis…until I met some
diagnosed NPDs who really HAVE made the effort to deal with their issues,
and frankly mixing me up with them is something I would regard as a
compliment.

Anyway, the thing about picking up the WRONG information is that is stops
you ever seeing the RIGHT information, and without the right information you
haven’t got a hope of solving or coping with the problem. Which is o9ne hell
of a situation when you are talking about real lives, real people, and real
feelings.

GD

----- Original Message -----
From: “susiejo” npd-cpt7451@lists.careplace.com
To: blitzen@utvinternet.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 6:29 PM
Subject: Re: [npd] What could this mean

#33

My mention of npd and a possible link to aspergers had nothing to do w/ Sam Vaknin or with Blitzen. While this may be difficult to grasp, I actually have a life of my own, and in that life I often interact and read and discover things by talking to educated people and researching issues on my own. The concept of NPD and aspergers having a possible link was first suggested to me by my bf’s therapist. She does not know SV nor have we ever discussed SV as she charges $150 per hr and it would never occur to me to waste my money and time discussing SV with her. After my disucssion with the therapist (this was months ago) I did some research on my own and saw many disucssions where people were also curious about a possible link because of some similar behavioral issues; including people who have aspergers and people who’s loved one has aspergers. Then I found two academic references mentioning a possible link also. None of this had anything to do with Sam and his writings, and I most certainly was not thinking about Blitzen as my concern lies with my own life and my own loved one, not Blitzen or Sam. Jeeze, get over yourself already.

#34

Well sorry to tell you but your therapist picked the idea up directly or
indirectly from SV’s nonsense.

The AS and “relational disorders” link doesn’t come from Sam, but certainly
doesn’t come from any academic source, it come from a combination of a
neurotic woman in Coventry who was dumped by he film director bf who was
later diagnosed with AS, and very dysfunctional Australian lady who claims
she was born in Dachau (as likely as ice in hell) and that her mother had AS
and a mid US alcoholic who was generally considered to be an abusive
alcoholic until she decided to claim her husband had AS instead.

Oh, I see, so I was right first time and you were being bitchy…

How disappointing…

:o(

GD

----- Original Message -----
From: “smg” npd-cpt7451@lists.careplace.com
To: blitzen@utvinternet.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 7:15 PM
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#35

Actually, I was the first to suggest a connection between Asperger’s and
narcissism in 1998.

Pathological Narcissism and Other Mental Health Disorders

NPD (Narcissistic Personality Disorder) and AsPD (Antisocial Personality
Disorder, or Psychopathy/Sociopathy)

http://malignantselflove.tripod.com/personalitydisorders16.html

http://malignantselflove.tripod.com/personalitydisorders15.html

Narcissism with Other Mental Health Disorders (Co-morbidity)

http://malignantselflove.tripod.com/faq82.html

Eating Disorders and Personality Disorders

http://malignantselflove.tripod.com/faq65.html

Misdiagnosing Narcissism - The Bipolar I Disorder

http://malignantselflove.tripod.com/journal71.html

Misdiagnosing Narcissism - Asperger’s Disorder

http://malignantselflove.tripod.com/journal72.html

Misdiagnosing Narcissism - Generalized Anxiety Disorder

http://malignantselflove.tripod.com/journal93.html

Homosexual Narcissists

http://malignantselflove.tripod.com/faq18.html

Inverted (covert) Narcissism

http://malignantselflove.tripod.com/faq66.html

Depression and the Narcissist

http://malignantselflove.tripod.com/faq17.html

http://malignantselflove.tripod.com/journal83.html

Narcissists, Inverted Narcissists and Schizoids

http://malignantselflove.tripod.com/faq67.html

Narcissism, Substance Abuse, and Reckless Behaviours

http://malignantselflove.tripod.com/journal66.html

The Roots of Pedophilia

http://malignantselflove.tripod.com/pedophilia.html

Narcissism, Psychosis, and Delusions

http://malignantselflove.tripod.com/journal91.html

Take care.

Sam Vaknin
Author of “Malignant Self Love - Narcissism Revisited”

----- Original Message -----
From: “smg” npd-cpt7451@lists.careplace.com
To: palma@unet.com.mk
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 8:15 PM
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#36

Such mindgames…

“Careplace” can delete posts, but they cannot have the consideration to
delete my unwanted account, and personal files, as I have asked…

Thewy do not wish to let me out, they just wish to impose control on me
against my will.

NASTY

GD

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