Here I describe myself

Narcissistic personality disorder
#41

Mamolie wrote: It is bad enough trying to recover from a partner but trying to recover from a parent who is suppose to love you that has to the hardest.Give her credit for something! That was so mean Sam, you do know there is nothing you can do when you are a child and it is your parent, father or mother that is has NPD. It is hard work to overcome it all. Isn’t bitchen and moaning in one of your victim recovery links, if not add it, it is part of recovery for us.Can’t talk it out, cant fix em, cure em and it against the law to kill em, so what do you have left, bitchen and moaning, everybody is safe then.

Mamolie, there are lots of options. First and foremost is growing up and taking responsibility for yourself and your own happiness or lack of it.

#42

BY THE WAY, THANK YOU PRIMA DONNA AND MAMOLIE FOR STICKING UP FOR
ME. YOU DID
THE RIGHT THING. WHAT SAM SAID WAS ABSOLUTELY DOWN RIGHT ABUSIVE,
BUT IN THIS
CASE HE DID IT FOR ME. IF HE DIDN’T DO IT FOR ME, HE IS JUST A PLAIN
OLD ASSHOLE AND I ACCEPT THAT HE IS. BUT IN THIS CERTAIN SCENARIO,
HE WAS PLAYING THE GAME TO TEST IF I WOULD START TO CRY. AND I
DIDN’T. THIS IS WHY I STUCK WITH THIS SIGHT. TO TEST MY OWN
PERSONAL BOUNDARIES. I NEED A PUNCHING BAG AT THIS POINT TO TEST MY
POWER. I NEED TO DO THIS WHEN IN CONFLICT WITH MY OWN FAMILY. I
AM ALLOWED TO STICK UP FOR MYSELF AND I DID. IT IS A HUMAN RIGHT. I
DID NOT CAVE TO HIS EXTREMELY UNCALLED FOR ABUSE. HE HAS
NO IDEA WHAT ANGUISH I HAVE GONE THROUGH. HE HASN’T LIVED MY LIFE.
HOW IS IT POSSIBLY HIS RIGHT TO PROJECT THAT I WAS A LAZY SPOILED
AMERICAN HOUSEWIFE WHO IS INCESTUOUS WITH FAMILY MEMBERS? AND HE
WRITES ABOUT HIS OWN ABUSE ALL THE TIME. BUT HE
IS A MAN WITH A TITLE SO WE THINK HE HAS THE RIGHT TO BITCH. HE IS
ONLY HUMAN AFTER ALL. HE HAS NOT ONE STITCH MORE POWER THAN I DO.

On Dec 16, 2007, at 5:32 PM, bup wrote:

#43

Very good BUP. People save others for their own need fullfillment, not for the sake of the victim.

#44

SUSIE JO, It is not about growing up, it is about becoming EQUAL
with your abuser. SHE HAS EQUAL RIGHTS. Mamolie is a BEAUTIFUL
person who should not have to be abused. It is RIDICULOUS that she
is in her
situation. WE ARE ALL CREATED EQUAL IN THESE UNITED STATES.
On Dec 16, 2007, at 6:09 PM, susiejo wrote:

#45

How very well put Bup. Good on you.

And your right, Sam is there to be used and abused, he told us that some time ago on this forum.

As for the other nutter/s, not naming any names, will leave that to individuals opinions, best ignored.

Yu go girl

xxxx

#46

THANKS SUSIEJO. IT IS A HARD HARD HARD LESSON. WHICH TAKES LOTS OF
COURAGE AND PRACTICE. PROJECTION IS A TERRIBLY COMPLICATED TWISTING
MECHANISM THAT IS USED VERY CAREFULLY TO SCREW WITH THE INNOCENT. IT
IS A COMPLICATED PROCESS TO UNRAVEL. 40 YEARS FOR MAM, 39 FOR ME.
On Dec 16, 2007, at 6:16 PM, susiejo wrote:

#47

OHHHHHHHHHH REALLLLLLLLLLLLY? KNOW IT ALL…THIS IS
HILARIOUS!!! MELODRAMAS…
FUCK OFF…IT IS CALLED FUCKING LIFE AND YOU KNOW
IT…PEOPLE HAVE SORROW AND PAIN…ALL OF US
DO…AND NARCISSISTS LIKE TO DIG RIGHT INTO THAT
CARD…

DID YOU SINK MY BATTLESHIP? I AM OUT, YOU WIN, I’M THE SOUL SURVIVOR!!

YOU ARE DOING AN AMAZING JOB OF KEEPING US INTERESTED SUSIEJO. THIS
IS SO MUCH FUN !!! THE
CON IS UP…

I BET YOU ARE THE NICEST WOMEN IN ENGLAND…THAT’S MY
BET…

On Dec 16, 2007, at 7:20 PM, susiejo wrote:

#48

HATE TO ADMIT IT, BUT THERE BUTTON PUSHING IS INTENTIONAL TOO. IT IS
ALL A SET UP TO SCREW WITH OUR HEADS. THEY KNOW THAT…THEY
ARE TOYING WITH US TO MAKE US UNDERSTAND THE FUCKED DYNAMICS OF
NARCISSISTS. WE ARE WINNING. DON’T YOU SEE? WE ARE CONFRONTING
PSYCHOPATHS AND WINNING. IT IS ALL A CAT AND MOUSE GAME. THEY ARE
NOT BETTER THAN US, THE WHOLE THING IS A GOSH DARN SET UP TO MAKE US
STRONG
AND FIGHT FOR OURSELVES. WE KNOW THAT THEY ARE LUNATICS (AND SO DO
THEY). CALL ME CRAZY, BUT THIS IS MY OPINION AND I AM STICKING TO
IT. IT IS A GAME THAT THEY ALWAYS WANT TO WIN. DON’T BE THE VICTIM
OF CIRCUMSTANCE. TRY TO WIN YOURSELF. AND THEN YOU DON’T GET HURT.
OR JUST MAKE A JOKE AND WALK AWAY. I HAVE CRIED WAY TOO MANY TEARS.
IT TOOK ME 9 MONTHS…

On Dec 16, 2007, at 6:21 PM, nic wrote:

#49

Hmmmmm… Hmmmmmm…We agree to disagree on this… I
believe that you should have the
ability to fight for equality in every respect. I don’t know if it
is about growing up. Because I do respect Mamolie. I understand
what she has been through. It is a major challenge if you are being
taken care of or married to a narcissist who puts you in your place.
There are a lot of barriers to swim through. And even when you swim
through them, the end result
is not that rewarding. You never get a pat on the back. So the
cycle of abuse is chronic and wearing. I guess I disagree with the
term " growing up." I would dub it “becoming aware”… Mamolie
is a fine adult who has raised her children. She did not know that
this was going to be her fate…

On Dec 16, 2007, at 6:26 PM, susiejo wrote:

#50

Again, I would say this is life, not simply with N’s. There are so many things that can happen. That is why we teach our kids to be grateful for what they got - it could be worse, a lot worse. I certainly had to clue no my fate when I started out and while I would never tout it as great or even average, it is what it is. It for durn sure wasn’t fair. Crying in my beer won’t do change or improve anything.

#51

god whatever you want to call yourself, you are so niave and I dont believe you have a clue what we are here to talk about.

if you had any idea you would never have said that. How dare you say its easy for mamolie. Or however you put it. And know this. I dont know precisely what you said and dont care, nor will not enter any protracted nonsense dabating what you actually did or did not say. What it means etc etc etc, You dont know anything about loving marrying or breeding with an N do you?

I come here to whinge, thats my business.

your here to be authoritarian, to lecture and be rude.

am not normally rude, selfish, childish but can be any of those things. S far as am conccerned am with Bup, I got a wee shot with sam once or twice, and what the hell, it felt fine. He deserves it and he wants it and so do you.

go fuck yourself.

#52

YUP BUP, like santas little helper, here to help.

Do you notice that we gettin something vaguely human

we’re hearing about her work!!! we’re getting hints that theirs a story!

thats the kind of normal chit chat we all used to enjoy here, bit of a rant, bit of news etc etc,

its just like sam says, snarl back at them and they recoil, their needs are met. NS achieved.

Miserable i am, but it has NOTHING to do with anything on an online forum. NADA. This is not my life, its a place to go.

Being told that her misery is more special than my misery just makes me laugh. not because it is in any way offensive. Becuase its so childish and funny. its childlike whinging at its best.

A grown up would know that yours is yours and mine is mine, we have aour own journeys and writing about trading those is pathetic.

#53

I think you are misinterpreting what I am doing. I LOVE MAMOLIE, I
LOVE PRIMA, I LOVE YOU. What
I am doing is FACING THESE FUCKED UP PEOPLE. I am not siding with
them WHAT SO EVER. THEY ARE
TRYING TO TWIST OUR REALITIES. IT IS A SET UP FOR US TO GET STRONGER
IN THE REAL WORLD.
THESE PEOPLE ARE ABSOLUTELY CERTIFIABLE. BUT YOU DON’T HAVE TO BE
HURT BY THEM. ONCE YOU HAVE THE KNOWLEDGE THAT THEY ARE TRYING TO
TWIST YOUR REALITY, YOU CAN TWIST IT
RIGHT BACK. IT IS OK TO DO THAT IF AND WHEN YOU REALIZE THAT THEY
ARE YOUR EQUALS IF NOT
INFERIOR. I AM NOT SIDING WITH THE ENEMY WHAT SO EVER. I AM
PROTECTING MYSELF FROM THE
ENEMY…SO MY LIFE DOESN’T END IN DISASTER. IT IS OK TO PROTECT
YOURSELF. THAT
IS WHAT I AM TRYING TO SAY. WE ALL HAVE THE RIGHT AS HUMAN BEINGS,
ONCE WE REALIZE THAT
PROJECTION IS A REAL TOOL TO REVERSE PAIN…WE CAN THROW
IT RIGHT BACK IN THEIR FACE…

On Dec 16, 2007, at 6:51 PM, nic wrote:

#54

Mamolie can get up and walk out any day she wants to.

That was it. Fkn unbelievable. if you think that is a clever statement, or a helpful onenyour an idiot. Ping - mamolie is goin to say - I NEVER THOUGHT OF THAT!!! WISE UP.

you JUST DO NOT HAVE A CLUE. And I dont know what you would be crying in your beer about, dont believe we have had much info from you at all, just haughty lectures and psychobabble.

Not that i ever read much of what you write. Dont see any empathy, nor any interest, just haughty lectures and psychobabble bullshit and aggravation.

Bup IS right, your a handy little tool. i could do with a vent instead of a whinge, and your the channel.

cheers

edited to ad IS !!!

#55

Ms. Nic,

I’d trade my life for yours any day. You would have survived maybe 6 months and than killed yourself. Whine whine whine is all I hear. It’s everybody else but me. My life is horrible because I have no control over it and damn anyone who suggests that it might improve if I should take control. Yuck. I actually agree more with Sam today than ever - bored housewives in midlife crisis who think reading his book makes them an expert on narcissism. Supersilliness.

#56

I understand Nic. Misery loves company.

#57

I AM NOT QUITE SURE WITH THIS MEANS BUT THANK YOU? I AM CONFUSED IF
YOU LIKE WHAT I MEAN OR DISLIKE WHAT I AM TRYING TO SAY…

On Dec 16, 2007, at 7:02 PM, nic wrote:

#58

HILARIOUS NIC…SHE IS ABSOLUTELY PUSHING ALL YOUR
BUTTONS… SHE KNOWS EXACTLY WHAT SHE IS DOING TO GET YOUR
GOAT… DON’T FALL FOR IT…SHE IS FEEDING YOU
THE BAIT…DON’T REACT…SHE IS MAKING
YOU FEEL BADLY SO SHE WON’T FEEL BADLY…IT IS A GAME!!!

On Dec 16, 2007, at 7:03 PM, susiejo wrote:

#59

AHHHHHH. MISERY…SHE IS THE MISERABLE ONE
NIC…DON’T LET HER MAKE YOU BE…
YOU ARE HAPPY, SHE IS NOT…
On Dec 16, 2007, at 7:04 PM, susiejo wrote:

#60

Not exactly miserable, just stuck working on Sunday and it is so boring. Hard to find something to make me laugh in this empty office.