CZ wrote:
Features exclusive for the psychopathic NPD types are:
-Irritability and raging reactions
-Callous and deceitful
-Cunning and manipulative behavior
-Interpersonal sadism
-Lack of remorse or guilt
-Violent behavior
-One or a few crimes
THATS MY MAN – RIGHT THERE!!!
thank you
thank you
thank you
(whew)
Truly sorry to see you go, Bup!
I think Phoenix also jumped (the sinkin) ship.
(sad)
Sam
----- Original Message -----
From: “bup” npd-cpt3474@lists.careplace.com
To: palma@unet.com.mk
Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2007 9:09 PM
Subject: Re: [npd] I would like a concise but detailed description of the…
Pity you haven’t read the links I have repeatedly referred you to. You would
have been relieved weeks ago and I would be the recipient of your “thank
yous” below …:o))
You see what you are missing with your petulant refusal to click on links???
(wagging sausagy finger at Phoenix)
Violent, Vindictive, Sadistic, and Psychopathic Narcissists
http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/narcissisticabuse/message/4938
http://samvak.tripod.com/faq56.html
NPD (Narcissistic Personality Disorder) and AsPD (Antisocial Personality
Disorder)
http://samvak.tripod.com/personalitydisorders16.html
http://samvak.tripod.com/personalitydisorders15.html
Sam
----- Original Message -----
From: “thephoenix101” npd-cpt3474@lists.careplace.com
To: palma@unet.com.mk
Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2007 7:57 PM
Subject: Re: [npd] I would like a concise but detailed description of the…
(laughing)
Shows you to what extent you can trust the Wikipedia “encyclopedia”. Gaye
Dalton (Blitzen) authored the Wikipedia articles on narcissism, NPD,
Bipolar, and Asperger’s. As she freely admitted in this very forum, she
doesn’t know the first thing about any of these subjects - which didn’t stop
her from authoring and editing these “encyclopedia” articles.
Btw, Ronningstam was NOT the first to coin the term psychopathic narcissist.
Read this about the History of Personality Disorders:
http://samvak.tripod.com/personalitydisorders9.html
Sam
----- Original Message -----
From: “CZBZ” npd-cpt3474@lists.careplace.com
To: palma@unet.com.mk
Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2007 7:42 PM
Subject: Re: [npd] I would like a concise but detailed description of the…
Sam,
I already said I’d read your book 4 times before manufacturing the end of the end for me and my ex. I read about him in there too.
However, in a forum where there is such a very LOUD voice trying to outshout everyone saying theyre recovering from something abusive that sure looks like a N, along comes a post that calmly reiterates what I’m working with, and so I get happy because a calm quiet voice had so much more impact on me than the brash, crass shouting.
I read it here on the forum and thought “look, there he is, right there in black and white”.
Its too bad there arent more voices like that. It doesnt do a survivor much good to be told over and over again with such blatant negative energy “youre wrong, youre wrong, youre wrong”.
And even though I feel I’m edging ever closer to the end of my recovery, I’m still a survivor, I’m still hurting, despite me taking up the call to try and save this board from ruin.
I do well with support as much as the next person.
yanno? 
My book - the one you have read 4 times (even I couldn’t manage THAT!!!) -
is one of a series of 9 (that’s NINE) books.
The full texts of other eight books are available online at no charge. You
haven’t read these texts because these articles are RECENT.
Here, I am posting links mostly to these new articles.
Take care there.
Sam
----- Original Message -----
From: “thephoenix101” npd-cpt3474@lists.careplace.com
To: palma@unet.com.mk
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 1:20 PM
Subject: Re: [npd] I would like a concise but detailed description of the…
Phoenix,
After reading Sam’s book 4 times to decide to end your relationship with your ex, and it now being 14 months with you still being stuck in your rut, why don’t you spend a bit of time to day questioning if maybe that “LOUD voice” is trying to tell you something that just might actually be helpful. (i.e. Sam’s therapy doesn’t work).
I posted this for you - please do not miss it today. And before you respond, THINK ABOUT IT, and address the message within it rather than attacking the messenger.
http://www.careplace.com/forum/topic/6723?id=6723&filter=newest.
I LOVE THIS MARIEL LEE… YOU ARE RIGHT ON WITH THIS…
On Nov 11, 2007, at 7:17 AM, mariel lee wrote:
Sam said - with his classic inaccuracy though I notice he has finally got me down to a “single European identity” again:
Shows you to what extent you can trust the Wikipedia “encyclopedia”. Gaye
Dalton (Blitzen) authored the Wikipedia articles on narcissism, NPD,
Bipolar, and Asperger’s. As she freely admitted in this very forum, she
doesn’t know the first thing about any of these subjects - which didn’t stop
her from authoring and editing these “encyclopedia” articles.
As a matter of fact, I have had very little to do with the text of the Asperger Syndrome article, and I do not think I have ever even seen the bipolar article, let alone edited it, as Sam knows this perfectly well I can only assume that claiming otherwise was a way of trying to insure a response in case I couldn’t be bothered with him today?
ANYWAY…
I did work on:
Anyone who tried to contribute to those articles was shamefully harassed and bullied, unless they were exclusively supporting Sam Vaknin.
Wikipedia expects that all articles be neutral and not give undue weight to a single point of view, such as Sam’s, so the articles needed immediate revision to include other points of view, and remove all the superfluous and unencyclopaedic promotion of non-notable persons such as Sam Vaknin and friends.
Wikipedia expects all articles to be drawn from recognized, reliable, peer reviewed sources (NOT "original research, or self appointed online “experts”), and expects those sources to be cited within the text. Trying to match any sources Sam did allude to (but not cite) was a true horror story. Whenever I tried, I found that Sam had distorted his sources out of all realistic recognition.
I had honestly never suspected this before in 7 years. I knew Sam’s work was biased and distorted to the extreme in it’s own right. I knew Sam had no integrity or ethics at all. I knew Sam would stoop to anything to expand his nasty little cult…
BUT
…in all those years, I sincerely believed that he had an innate respect for knowledge and learning that would, even in his own, self serving, psychopathic terms compel him to use valid sources accurately.
I was wrong.
All those years he was counting on nobody really, bothering to check. Maybe that it part of the reason why it was all written so ponderously? To ensure that people tended to “scan” rather than read closely?
Regardless…
The articles had to be re-written in accord with the accurate use of real sources. I do not think I personally authored a word in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcissistic_personality_disorder - I got a couple of well-respected and qualified shrinks to do that, and pasted it in for them, with sources, to avoid their names getting dragged into the squalor Sam and friends can generate when Sam doesn’t get his own way.
I had no interest whatsoever in authoring the article myself, BECAUSE I badly wanted to find out JUST WHAT NPD really is…before Sam starts distorting it to suit himself.
I rebuild a lot of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcissism_(psychology) in accurate accord with the sources cited, with references…after moving it from
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcissism which I did author as what it should have been all along, an entry on the general social and cultural concept of “Narcissism”.
I will always be very proud that I got up the courage to face the worst that I knew Sam’s handmaidens would do once he “sicc’ed” them on me, and actually managed to show him up for what he was, and get his distortions replaced by real information on Wikipedia, in an atmosphere where anyone who has REAL information with real, valid, sources can add it to those articles at any time.
It’s a slightly foolish pride, because Wikipedia was growing up and developing in such a way that if I had done nothing, Sam would have been gone within a few months anyway, along with all the other self appointed, online “experts” who thought they could abuse Wikipedia to promote their goods and increase their search engine profiles for ever.
GD
lol, am a chick sam, and still dont know wher i mixed bitzen and susiejoe up?? Sox about that chick.
lol , will change name i think, i am nicola but instant is parts of my sirname and addrss, the K is nothin. Toooo funnly. I spent a summer in france once and nicola is a boy - end of story (cos their s is silent - tho i dont have one - just like i dont have a k - lol)
anyways come ahead any o yas. i may be a pretzel but am a pretty thick one!!! lol
instant,
what are you talking about?
Sam,
I am in a quandry as to this nine year sabbotage with Blixzen/Gaye, whoever? And who is Suzieoh? I think you stated that you thought her to be Blixzen. Am I correct when I say she/he is a bonafide narcissist? She/he sure the hell sounds like my (thinks he) know(s) it all ex-husband. Seems exactly like we are dealing with the same B.S.
And, what’s with the re-stating of what people have said? Both you and Blixzen do it.
And, only your opinion of course, what do you think, is Blitxzen/Suzieoh male or female? I do not detect a feminine side to Blixzen. This back and forth stuff doesn’t have a female ring to it.
What’s with the bantering back and forth?
Are you, SAM, here to help educate us out of kindness?
Is there a forum for narcissists themselves?
Why does Blixzen want to defame you?
Just curious
Well, gosh...I wouldn't even pretend to know enough to edit wiki pages since I'm no expert on much of anything other than my X-husband's narcissism. He's an awesome dude, but unlikely to merit space on Wikipedia 'tho he likely disagrees with me on that point amongst many others.
I love Wikipedia (coupled with fairly decent skills in the critical thinking department) and I'm so used to being misinformed that it doesn't frighten me anymore. That's easy enough to remedy.
However, I feel it my moral duty to warn folks about what happens to people who try to control the dissemination of public information. The inability to accomplish such a monumental task will likely result in feelings of powerlessness, hopelessness and cyclical self-hatred. Continued obsession with control may result in a painful Wikidepression.
Unfortunately, Wikidepression may likely be co-morbid with an even more serious disorder: Wikiphrenia.
It's really AWFUL, or so I've read---especially for people with wikiphrenic brain stems.
http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Wikiphrenia
Now I know folks don't like links 'cuz we heal much better with conversation; but I feel a responsibility to back up my comments since I have no initials behind my name (and the initials in front of my name have been reduced from three to two: Ms.)
The prognosis for CURING Wikiphrenia is not good.
"...No cure for wikiphrenia exists, as the disease is too new to have been catalogued or even formally diagnosed, except for one specific case in Missouri. However, positive results have been achieved by enforcing a strict "ignore at all costs" policy on the affected wiki itself, and also by drowning.
"Unfortunately, many wikiphrenics respond to being ignored by resorting to increasingly aggressive acts of sock-puppet vandalism, forcing the administrators to ban the sock puppets, to which the wikiphrenic responds by creating even more aggressive sock puppets, who are also eventually banned, and ultimately locking everyone concerned into a vicious circle of sock puppets, vandalism, bans, and hideous 1970's-era hairstyles. Therefore, in most cases, drowning is the only answer. "
In addition to the Uncyclopedia's page on Wikiphrenia, there is a short article which might be good for several of us to read. It's titled: "How Will I Know When I've Become My Own Sock Puppet?"
I've been rather worried about that ever since joining CarePlace.
ROFL,
CZBZ
CZ
Thank You for all the time and research you put into finding out about this new disorder and for sharing this information with all of us at care place. We do like to be up to date and informed. I can’t imagine how blitzen and susiejo missed this one. WOW, you are more on top of things than they are. It sounds dreadfull, I feel sorry for people who are afflicted with this. I have been wondering, are sock puppets made from clean socks or recycled old worn socks which could make some cases even worse than others.
Thank you and hugs mamolieCZ
Good God woman,
you are a riotous treasure of an Amazon warrior princess.
If I were a lesbian I’d ask you to marry me right now!
As it is, your 2nd mango’s in the mail.
OMG!!! THANK YOU!!! A BREATH OF FRESH AIR!!!
Hysterical and clever - I loved it - that’s exactly what we need back here! I too handle stress with humor but I’m afraid I’m not nearly as clever as you…I bow down…
In addition to the Uncyclopedia's page on Wikiphrenia, there is a short article which might be good for several of us to read. It's titled: "How Will I Know When I've Become My Own Sock Puppet?"
OMG! I don't know. Do you think I have? I have!! I have !!! Become my own sock puppet!!! ((hangs head in shame)).ÂÂ
Thank you CZ for showing me the evil of my ways. Whew! I just looked at my avatar. I'm just an ostrich!
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My question today is, after just skimming all of this above–started to read it, but it was too much; can’t bare this back and forth stuff that reminds me of trying to get my point across on deaf ears (husband’s). What are we doing here, people? Narcissism Disguised. Blitzen, what is your story? You have yet to answer that question. How many people in this forum actually have a story? My question to those who chose to be on this forum, what are you looking for? DEBATE?
I have lived with a man, whom I will declare pathologically narcissistic. There is no question in my mind. I still have moments of tremendous sadness, as my family broke up and nothing compares to that loss. I have read “Malignant Self Love,” “Help, I’m in Love with a Naricissist,” “The Narcissistic Family,” and many more, not including psychology magazines, numerous articles from the medical journals, etc., etc., not including six years of therapy, and one year of marriage counseling, and most importantly, 23 years of living with a narcissist and the extended family.
Like most of us, I have a lot of experience to share and a very loving relationship as a result of finally taking care of myself. THAT is the key. I don’t doubt that we, those of us with “empathy,” still feel compassion for those people who we had children with, or lived with, or mothered, or was mothered/fathered by; but it’s not about that. It’s about OUR healing. They are not asking for help; like an alcoholic, we can love them, forgive them for our own healing, and support them if they should so seek out help. but we are not going to stand there and watch them guzzle the drink, or in this case, beat us down.
Blitzen, reveal yourself or move on to bigger and better places. We don’t care about what you have to say, we already know.
Mariel Lee
Youre very clear, and very firm and sound like there is little or no confusion about what you experienced, what you felt, the path you’ve walked…and what you KNOW.
Your voice is among many here. The many are with you.
Thats all you need to have to continue on here with whatever you want to address, process, vent, say goodbye to…or walk confidently towards.
It sounds like the choices youve made, the insights youve gotten, the work youre doing feels right for you and thats a godsend isnt it?
I hope there are more and more of us who make it to that spot, from all the pain and confusion with as little wasted time as possible.
Dont let the snipers distract you from what YOUve decided is right for you.
Oh dear…
Blitzen, what is your story? You have yet to answer that question.
I’m not even sure what you mean by “my story”, seems to me that I have actually shared a great deal more about who I really am, and my own life, than anyone here…I even shared the story of Patrick, who almost certainly met most criteria for NPD and was stabbed to death on the “Front Line” on Roman road, in London in 1982.
But that’s not what you actually want is it?
No, what you want is some long self pitying saga about “the N” I can’t get over, and how he swept me off my feet, then all the sordid details of how he played games with me and left me bleeding…and all the soft vulnerable parts of myself he injured…
…and you want that story partly to get off on the idea of me getting hurt, but MOSTLY so you know where the soft vulnerable parts of me are so you can have a HAPPY TIME sticking sharp pointy things into them.
For some funny reason, even if I HAD a story like that, I wouldn’t feel tempted to tell it to you.
I have lived with a man, whom I will declare pathologically narcissistic.
How can you? You honestly do not have a clue what “pathological narcissism” is, and worse, you do not actually care what it really is, because all you want “pathological narcissism” for is as a weapon to throw at anyone who doesn’t suit you, like me.
You come here every day to act like catty little girls in a schoolyard (I’d say “like psychopaths” but frankly, they are more grown up), goading and baiting and trying to find ways to really hurt me, because I won’t play along with you and tell you whatever you want to hear…
…and you can still kid yourselves that somebody out there somewhere is stupid enough to see all that and still believe you are geniune, caring, compassionate victims…
I don’t know what your partners were like, but I can tell you this much, seeing the way you behave on these boards I feel certain you made their lives hell.
GD