In the crossfire

I’ve been reminded of my childhood a bit lately.  There was a constant battle and people were always fighting, arguing, and bickering back and forth.  As a child it wasn’t really easy listening to, but I did get very used to it.  I always found it perplexing that other children were upset or if their parents talked of divorce or separation.  I would have been happy, and found myself often suggesting it to my parents.  “You guys don’t get along, you’d be happier if you were away from each other.”  I never even thought about who I’d end up staying with and didn’t care.  Later in life I was told they were sticking together for our benefit.  Having experienced life the way I did, I can’t explain what those kind of words do to me.

Fighting often triggers a bit of feeling in me.  I’m an adult now and recognize such, and recognize its appropriate at times and there are appropriate places for it, but I’m still reminded of the times it wasn’t and think of myself in those places where it wasn’t.  People fought, people exchanged harsh words, and nobody would let go.  One day my mother might start it all, and the next my father would provoke the fighting.  My mother would tell me all the horrible things about my father that made her act, feel, and react in the ways she did.  She was right, and it made sense.  My father would do the same, and he was right, that made sense too.  Both had legitimate reasons to hate the other and be upset with them on a daily basis.  They had a right to express it.  My mother never came home, never cleaned the house, never fixed dinner, never worked, and spent all her time on the telephone and neglecting the family, nagged constantly and yelled and raged at the kids.  My father, he expected all these things to be done but not having to be deserving of them.  He didn’t come home, drank, got addicted to porn, and didn’t support the family.… I don’t blame them for hating each other.  But really, who started it all?  Does it matter?

Me, I was just caught in the crossfire.  Everybody had their legitimate reasons for feeling the way they did, but I couldn’t help but notice it destroyed everything.  It destroyed them, it destroyed the house, and my siblings.  They cared more about fighting and their own issues than they did about raising us in a more loving environment without all the chaos.  You could tell me all day long about how complicated it is, and about how they felt and why, but I grew not to care.  They cared about their own feelings and how they were wronged, and they stopped caring about the rest of us.  That’s the wrong I see done to me.  And I don’t place any blame on who started all that fighting and bickering because I don’t care.  The real crime is that nobody cared enough about the other people involved to stop it.  I guess growing up in that environment shaped me into who I am.  There always has to be another way to achieve things; something other than war.   There *has* to be, or else, I lose all faith in life and humanity all together.

Everyone in my family felt justified in what they did, but all I saw was destruction, and a bunch on Ns. that accomplished nothing at all.  All that was left was an empty dusty old house that nobody cared to come home to anymore.  Somebody did something wrong.  I’m glad now that the place was sold and everybody’s out.   Maybe a new couple will have a chance to raise a family in it and be productive to society.  Maybe somebody else can do it right, and plant a garden that will grow.  

I am very sorry if it inconveniences you WY, but I am very much afraid that
it inconveniences me considerably to be:

a) Denied my right to delete my own files.
b) Openly abused without the right to reply, and with the deliberate
collusion of a site that has the sheer nerve to call itself “Careplace”.
c) Deliberately lied about and misrepresented without the right to reply and
with the deliberate collusion of a site that has the sheer nerve to call
itself “Careplace”.

Similar treatement has been inconveniencing me considerably since Sam Vaknin
first showed his face, took a fancy, (of some very weird kind, involving my
resemblence to someone who has been dead for 60 years) to me, and started
telling lies about me while “inspiring” (for want of a better word) others
to do likewise in, or about November 1998.

I find interaction difficult, probably far more difficult than you do, can
you imagine what 9 years of that, online has done to my ability to interact
anywhere?

Trust me, it doesn’t bear thinking about. Wherever I go on the internet,
Sam’s little minions send poison pen emails and PMs around about me to
people they see me in contact with. Some of those emails accuse me of the
very things that they, and Sam, have been doing to me, for years, some go
even further…constantly accusing me (sometimes rather plausibly) not only
of BAD things, but also of things I would honestly rather cut my throat than
do.

I am sorry if that inconveniences you. I have done my best to stop them.
Ignored them for months at a time, vanished for long periods, but when I do
that they dig further until they do find me, or worse find other things to
do like stirring up my psychopathic son, quite directly. Whatever good name
I ever had has been utterly destroyed beyond recovery.

Last year, in sheer desperation, on the advice of my partner’s psychologist
friend, myself, my partner and my partner’s best friend put HOURS into
emails to a specific game plan, devised to defuse Sam’s perfectly insane
attitude to me and, by association, that of the two minions, Teresa
Reynolds, and Alice Ratzlaff who have made a vocation of stalking me all
these years.

We might as well have not bothered, at any rate from the poison pen emails
Teresa Reynolds was writing about me in September, and Sam’s ongoing
strategy of false accusation.

As a charming counterpoint I have had very little choice but watch Sam and
his minions cynically and deliberately develop a sick online cult of
revictimisation that feeds vulnerable people to their personal needs. Though
I have to say, at this stage, I have to recognise that anybody dysfunctional
enough to buy into it is, if not as bad as Sam and friends in their own
right, at least temporarily, so screwed up that they are going to buy into
any con trick or abuser they fall over.

Now I am sorry if this inconveniences you, truly I am, but not one tenth as
much as it inconveniences me. In addition, you might find your future
interactions will become far healthier if you pause for enough thought to
recognise the need to avoid venues that are prepared to facillitate this
kind of abuse in future. There are other places.

In addition someone who, I am informed, may very well be a convicted felon
(far more seriously than anything Sam Vaknin ever did) who represents a
considerable threat to any member of this site is being allowed to run free,
abuse others and even, as far as I can tell, create multiple identities to
harass other users by PM, and then to add insult to injury, try to pin the
blame on me in public, with the full knowledge and collusion of a site that
has the sheer nerve to call itself “Careplace”.

Now I am sorry if that is all just too much trouble for you, really I
am…but not half as much “too much trouble” as it is for me.

I waited two weeks, and sent many, MANY emails to Careplace (as well as a
general call where you would certainly see it, asking people to write in)
all the while being openly abused and lied about without censure or
sanction, before deciding on this course of action, and I am going to keep
it up until the account is deleted as per my request.

GD

----- Original Message -----
From: “wastedyouth” npd-cpt7422@lists.careplace.com
To: blitzen@utvinternet.com
Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2008 2:19 PM
Subject: Re: [npd] In the crossfire…

Your posting erupted the total scenario of my marriage
and how it affected my daughters.Growing up in a
hostile environment, no love exchanged between their
parents at all.Fighting, chaos most of the time. It is
good you took no sides and can see that BOTH were at
fault. In mine my alcoholic, N instigated the majority
of the arguing. I see that so clearly now looking
back.I could move back to it, and save tons of
money,but it would not be worth it, living amongst the
demons that consumed it for so long…

I already have more in common with you than I’d like to admit Sam, but apparently thats true. Dealing with these kinds of things in childhood was a different experience than what I had to deal with in a relationship as an adult. I survived my relationship without any scars and always seem to, but I’ll always be weird for what happened when I was younger.

My childhood was the same. I wrote about it in these short stories:

Nothing is Happening at Home

http://gorgelink.org/vaknin/wronghome-en.html

The Butterflies are Laughing

http://gorgelink.org/vaknin/butterflies-en.html

Janusz Courts Dina

http://gorgelink.org/vaknin/janus-en.html

Take care.

Sam

----- Original Message -----
From: “wastedyouth” npd-cpt7422@lists.careplace.com
To: palma@unet.com.mk
Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 5:07 PM
Subject: [npd] In the crossfire…

Well all you have to do is keep writing to Careplace until they delete my
personal files and this account, and I am gone.

I have tried writing to them to no avail.

Sam and a couple of others have been having a great fun time for themselves
making accusations they know to be false, and that Careplace know to be
false from the IP pathways.

Guess what?

That’s not very fair to ME, and I have just as many rights as anyone else.

GD

----- Original Message -----
From: “samvaknin” npd-cpt7422@lists.careplace.com
To: blitzen@utvinternet.com
Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 4:22 PM
Subject: Re: [npd] In the crossfire…

Blitzen, 

"Well all you have to do is keep writing to Careplace until they delete my personal files and this account, and I am gone."

If you want me to write careplace a letter on your behalf, all you have to do is ask.  "Sam and a couple of others have been having a great fun time for themselves making accusations they know to be false, and that Careplace know to be false from the IP pathways."

Thats irrelevant to the topic I started or anything I'm interested in talking about.

"That's not very fair to ME, and I have just as many rights as anyone else."

None of that has anything to do with me, I've been fair to you.  

If you wanna talk NPD science and studies, or about sucky childhoods or the dynamics of NPD relationships and mental illness, I'm all for that.   As far as relating to people on any other level, its next to impossible for me.  

 

Misha,

Yah, it effected me a great deal, and I’m very hard on my parents. Its easy for me to tell parents to be careful and what can happen if they handle it all wrong. In my case though, both my parents were abusive. I’ve learned in my last relationship that dealing with some people is very difficult. No matter how civil or noble you behave, they have a habit of drawing it out into the open and there’s not a lot you can do about it… cept taking the kids and running. I don’t know if my dad was messed up and drove my mother batty, or if it was the other way around. Mostly though, the frustration was taken out on everybody.

One thing I do know, in my relationship with my
ex/alcoholic/N is that I have had no problems with
other relationships as far as I am concerned. I am a
very passive type person and avoid conflict at all
costs.And yes, the frustration affects all in the
family. It is so utterly sad that children are brought
into this world, and so innocent, and have to be
affected by such disfunctionality.NEVER to see any
love exchanged between their parents is unbearable
when I think back. I can only now hope and pray that
they can have a healthy relationship…so far my
youngest one is, my other one scares me terribly…she
is so much like her father and is totally irrational.I
am sure she has some underlying PD. To isolate myself
from her is the only way I can cope. I had a lifetime
of verbal abuse, and WILL NOT tolerate it from her. So
sorry you had to be exposed to it also, I hope and
wish you the best.

I, for one, am very happy and relieved to see your return Blitzen…in your absence, I did bear the relentless brunt of what you’ve been subjected to for years, and was also the only member who didn’t throw you under the bus to cover my own ass…I’ve been unwaivering in my support of honesty, integrity and ethics, etc…If how I feel is just one small fraction of the completely sick, hateful unmerited pain that you’ve described, then believe me, I do get it; the lunatics are running the asylum so it would appear…I’m just glad that I got the chance to cross paths with such an extraordinary woman, xxoo

“Echo”,

I sincerely believe you are yet another alias for Teresa Reynolds (or Alice
Ratzlaff) and, as such, are taking the piss in a remarkably cruel way, as
usual.

GD

----- Original Message -----
From: “echo” npd-cpt7422@lists.careplace.com
To: blitzen@utvinternet.com
Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 2:02 AM
Subject: Re: [npd] In the crossfire…

wow, thanks for showing exactly why you are just one of the n-lunatics running the asylum…

Don’t you think this was a bit of a give away, posted to Sam’s “Oomaa is
Gaye” thread? (Oomaa being your original ID)


…over the last few days I’d even advised a former “friend” to cover his
own butt when I saw this battle heat up~he took my advice but unfortunately
it was at my expense


Not subtle, in fact, I think it was MEANT as a giveaway to provoke
something. Well here’s something:

I suggest that if Teresa Reynolds has any allegations to make concerning
myself that she take them, and her (usually creative) “evidence”, without
further delay, to the proper authorities, for example, the FBI. I am
desperate enough to consider pleading guilty to any charge she can persuade
them to bring, simply because, after that, whatever the penalty, she will
never again be able to stalk me with poison pen emails, false identities,
impersonation, defamation and a degree of sick obsession that, after 9
years, is truly terrifying. The effects on my mental and emotional
wellbeing, as well as my, once, good name and reputation have been honestly
devastating. Even if I had to serve a couple of years in prison for
something I didn’t do, at least, when I came out, I would finally be able to
live my life free from the devastating effects of the malicious fixation of
a total stranger.

GD

gaye, I’m rather new to these online forums and websites, having only been around for months, not years…I’ve never heard of this Teresa Reynolds person nor of you prior to joining this site…my blind faith, trust and naivete has cost me dearly so far…my post that you quoted was regarding a careplace member from my friends list who betrayed my trust to make himself look good, as per the following…please note my ip address/whois at the botttom and find a new scratching post please…

wastedyouth Re: fyi…
Sent last Monday:
I’ll assume your questions are rhetorical and I will not answer them. I will respect your bounderies and leave you alone, I’d advice you not to message me or I will feel inclined to reply.

echo Re: fyi…
Sent last Monday:
this is still just some big joke to you isn’t it?? only a severely disordered person could even take this tale of bullshit seriously…you cross the line into slander and libel when you mention people by either their real names or nicknames on the boards, which i’m sure you must be aware of…i thought you were a harmless friend, but i was wrong…just knock it off and leave me alone…

wastedyouth Re: fyi…
Sent last Monday:
Ooomaa,

You’re right, and I owe you an apology. Day and night I longed for her. I adored her passion. I longed for her witty remarks. I literally died everytime I was basked in her attention. Her knowledge of NPD and psychology wooed me. And I was filled with anger, and jealousy, at her unconditional love and undying devotion to SamVakin.

When you arrived, the earth shook and I finally recognized that it was all slipping away, and I couldn’t find the words to say. She was talking softly on the phone again. More and more she needed to be alone.

Due to my weak nature and instability to handle the pain, I chose to destroy you, libel, and slander your name so I could feel better in about myself. But lo and behold, I was no match for your awesome power. I am weak and nothing compared to you, so I went on a campaign to enlist the entire board in a giant conspiracy against you and they blindly followed me in my plans for distruction.

But, I bow to you, and accept defeat. I guess my plans didn’t work out. Please have your lawyer contact me, and we’ll work out a settlement, and perhaps a large monetary sum will ease the pain and suffering that has occured at my hands today. I will ask all others to do the same, and we will start disssembling the website right away.

I will also be commiting myself into an institution and perhaps they will be able to do something about my sick and pathetic nature. Maybe then the world will forgive and I can show my face again and not hold my head down in shame.

echo fyi…
Sent last Monday:
i was referring to my ex and what he put me through since i left him in my intro…if you want to see my /whois ip lookup then knock yourself out…i’m starting to wonder if you’ve set me up to take the fall for your site crush fallout and are now using slander and libel to win her back…i’ve never thought of anyone online in that way, but knock yourselves out, just leave me out of it or i’ll haul the lot of you into court…very sick and pathetic…


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Well,

If that is true he is a very silly boy, because he sent me his name and
address so I could send him a copy of the Sam Vaknin video.

He owes me a DAMN SIGHT MORE than just one apology for the games he has
chosen to play with us all, and if the “she” he refers to is Phoenix101, and
not Teresa Reynolds or Alice Ratzlaff (the only people with “undying
devotion” to Sam V I can think of and both, easily old enough to be his
mother) may god have mercy on him.

This phrase would almost be a catchphrase of Teresa Reynolds referring to
Sam Vaknin:


I’d even advised a former “friend” to cover his own butt


Thus creating an understandable mistake.

GD

----- Original Message -----
From: “echo” npd-cpt7422@lists.careplace.com
To: blitzen@utvinternet.com
Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 3:33 AM
Subject: Re: [npd] In the crossfire…

I do realise I am having a breakdown right now.

I guess I just snapped under the strain after 9 years…

The things I have done to try and get them to leave me alone…once I spent
months trying to “appease” and befriend Teresa Reynolds in the hope it would
change something in her…everything about the woman makes me feel ill, when
she isn’t being poisonous she chokes you with sacharine but I still made
myself try…only to find that she was creating more sockpuppets than ever
and wreaking havoc…

Then there was that psyhologist…he reckoned that if Sam had the same
contempt for me that he had for them Teresa Reynolds and Alice Ratzlaff
would have no further interest in me, and would stop stalking me, so with
the help of a couple of friends, well mostly a couple of friends, I couldn’t
do it, the little sh*t makes my flesh crawl, we sat down and concocted all
these emails trying to convince Sam that I wanted him to forgive and forget
and be friends, critiquing his ridiculous “novel” as if it actually had some
promise…I don’t even think he fell for it…because that’s when he started
pretending to think I was Teresa Reynolds. Or maybe that was because, when
he was so frantic for me to come to London and make “Egomania” with him (I
couldn’t make this up, I think he honestly thought he could have a
"clandestine channel 4 documentary" on the side, he’s nuts) I tried to set
Teresa Reynolds up to go in my place if he pushed it…it wasn’t a practical
joke…I thought if she saw him face to face it might cure her obsession
with him, so she would leave me alone. I was DESPERATE.

It’s like these nuts have invaded and poisoned every aspect of my life all
these years. Every time I think it’s over I find out that people have been
getting poison pen emails about me, or they have been slandering me on some
bulletin board, often by my full name…or they have been creating
sockpuppets to surround me, or try and blame me for…or somebody has
developed "psychic powers about the contents of private emails or bbs
accounts of mine.

Everywhere I go people “know who I am” except that what they know is a
poisonous fiction, not me.

I don’t think I have been entirely sane for years because of all this
craziness…how can I be, with Asperger syndrome, surrounded by malicious
nutcases, who actually study brainwashing and psychological torture,
constantly trying to convince me that “black is white”? Whipping up any
"like minded souls" to join in.

I am a schizoid with Asperger syndrome, the most effective way for me to
communicate with my real life is by email. I need web access for some of the
few real and useful things I am able to do, to just log off would cripple my
functionality and deny me access to most of the real life I have managed to
build in spite of it all. Normal interaction is so exhausting and stressful
for me that it has to be kept to a minimum.

These freaks have just gone on playing with my head till I hardly know who I
am any more, I feel like I am trapped in one big, long running, mind game.
It doesn’t matter who I am, or what I really do, these sick crazies will go
on reinventing me to suit themselves anyway.

I spend every day of my life wishing either they were dead, or I was.

GD

----- Original Message -----
From: “blitzen” npd-cpt7422@lists.careplace.com
To: blitzen@utvinternet.com
Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 4:12 AM
Subject: Re: [npd] In the crossfire…

Blitzen,

I’m aware that some Aspies have a problem recognizing sarcasm, and I do not know if you were one of them, but my response to Oomah was just that; a sarcastic response to wild accusations not meant to be taken literally. I will not be apologizing because I do not perceive myself as having committed any such acts. If its worth your time, I’d suggest putting that intellect of yours to use.

WY,

I put “that intellect” to use, and find that Echo is absolved of being
Teresa Reynolds because it is pretty obvious


…over the last few days I’d even advised a former “friend” to cover his
own butt when I saw this battle heat up~he took my advice but unfortunately
it was at my expense


on which i based that impression, was a coincidental reference to you, and
not Sam.

I also find that the impression I formed several days ago that you might be
playing people off against each other and generally acting like a spoilt,
self absorbed brat is proved.

I also know that a lot of your post to Echo was saracastic, something I
never have any problem recognising, but also potentially manipulative and
inflammatory, something else I never have a problem recognising.

I would also love to know who on earth this referred to:


You’re right, and I owe you an apology. Day and night I longed for her. I
adored her passion. I longed for her witty remarks. I literally died
everytime I was basked in her attention. Her knowledge of NPD and psychology
wooed me. And I was filled with anger, and jealousy, at her unconditional
love and undying devotion to SamVakin.


…and drawing on my fairly complete knowledge of all who would claim
"unconditional love and undying devotion to SamVakin" hope for your own sake
it was groundless baloney.

Do you think that is you back in your place right now?

GD

----- Original Message -----
From: “wastedyouth” npd-cpt7422@lists.careplace.com
To: blitzen@utvinternet.com
Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 3:44 PM
Subject: Re: [npd] In the crossfire…

It looks like its reality that you have a problem recognizing. Do you think this is the best place for you to be having a breakdown and wishing you and everybody else was dead? Since when did St Zeraph the Sam Slayer degrade into a whiny bitch?

You are a poisonous little cow aren’t you?

A little hint, 9 years of intensive cyberstalking from a sick little freak
and the minions he can’t even really control, does a LOT of damage to a
person, like, for example, me…and owning that has got nothing to do with
"whining", it is just facing reality.

And I don’t even want to be here…somebody in the management is playing
silly head games and suspending my account so I can’t delete it, or my
personal files, refusing to explain why, and refusing to delete it for me,
so if you don’t like me being here complain to Careplace.

Now, which psycho are you?

Teresa Reynolds?
Alice Ratzlaff?
Daryl/Darla Boughton?
Trish/Karla Homolka?
Other?

And I most definately do wish Sam Vaknin and his minions were dead, I have
for years, because then I could have a life.

GD

----- Original Message -----
From: “ladylupine” npd-cpt7422@lists.careplace.com
To: blitzen@utvinternet.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 12:51 AM
Subject: Re: [npd] In the crossfire…