Only a qulified professional can diagnose NPD

Once in a while, people are lucky enough to get a psyche eval on the suspected 'N' though not usually. Child custody can force the issue.

Usually what happens is that the non-N is willing to be diagnosed but the 'N' is not. After all, there's nothing wrong with them, right??

And similar to your experience Phoenix, the therapist most likely suspects he or she is dealing with someone who has a narcissistic personality disoder (or a DNP). Because of insurance purposes however, they are reluctant to stick a PD on someone's medical records because insurance refuses treatment. At least this is my understanding.

CZBZ

I skip a post if it’s longer than 1 window.

Except for stories, my attitude is if you can’t make your point up front, you probably don’t have one.

angiezee npd-cpt6680@lists.careplace.com wrote: Is it just me, or does anyone else just skip a post if it’s by blitzen???

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CZ well, I have the burden of guilt to bear that when I told my ex he was a N he retorted, “no, YOU are!”

To which I selfishly and insensitively told him that it was our trainers opinion that he was.

So I’m guessing he wont ever be going back there for anymore personal growth and development, although he threatened to go to give her a piece of his mind.

It felt good to do that to him at the time, and its the only thing I could muster up the strength to do to make him go away, but I have some regret about it now.

(not reading the link Sam - I might be an academician in denial on top of everything else)

however, if youre accusing me of being an abuser in denial, point well made

although let me have some time to chew on being a ruthless warrior for awhile before you stuff abuser in my mouth

I projectile vomit if I’m forcefed.

Is it just me, or does anyone else just skip a post if it’s by blitzen???

we dont skip YOUR posts Angie, thats all I care about :slight_smile:

Well, Thank You! I simply don’t see the point in posting if it’s not to help - so, if just one person gets a little help from one of my posts, I’m happy. And thank you for also always being helpful and positive.

always helpful and positive?
uh oh! (chuckling)

you may have missed the posts where I also moan and sob and kick and scream
I think Mercenary calls that histrionic
but less face it, I’m still hurtin so I take too

as long as most of us give and take, we’ll hopefully be helping each other along some

Moaning, sobbing, kicking and screaming is not not helpful. You are venting and actually letting others know that those feelings are normal for us. You are not attacking and belittling others - that’s what I meant. It’s all good!

Sorry Angie, Blitxen’s posts are about the only ones I find worth reading. Too much phoney and simplistic garbage going on.

I skip over a few, but Phoenix is always supportive and pleasant. There are a lot of really nice people on this forum.

wahela

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susiejo npd-cpt6680@lists.careplace.com wrote: It is rather obvious that some are here for ulterior motives, sell books, have some fun (almost sadist), play games, and who knows with their phony fascades.

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Actually Rene, I do not mean you.

Score! somebody doesn’t hate me!

susiejo npd-cpt6680@lists.careplace.com wrote: Actually Rene, I do not mean you.

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Phoenix wrote: what if we’re all wrong
and its not really NPD’d people we were dealing with?

what if they were someplace else on the N scale?

would it have made a difference?

Phoenix,

The DSM-IV is a categorization of behaviors. Meet 5 of x or y or z criteria and get a label. So what? Most everyone can meet 5 criteria of at least one if not several of their labels. So what is normal and what is abnormal? Some of it is capitalism, some of it is just simply reducio absurdum. There has to be a label in order for the insurance company to pay for treatment. And insurance companies do NOT want to pay because the field has been a sham always. This is not medicine, it is not science. Psychology was always only about what the scientists could not explain. Idiots with big mouths, including Freud (cocaine addict), including Sam and so many others, too many on this board, a host of psuedopshycologists who blow any thing out their @#$% holes. Talk is cheap and that is all it was and is, and is what goes on this board.

When I was young, asthma was a psychological problem. Than the scientists figured out what caused it. No one would no ever suggest such to an asthmatic this time and place. I would lay money your degree does not say “Science” but rather “Arts”.

The 1990’s was designated as the “Decade of the Brain” because scientists learned so much. At the turn of the century, many including Eric Kandel (Nobel prize winner in neurology) were advocating the dissolving of psychiatry as a specialty in medicine. Freud was ruled DEAD. The only area of psychology that survived is the cognitive area, but it is NOT the only aspect that affects behavior!! There really is a brain and body!! Now the medical programs are requiring psychiatry majors (bottom of the class) pass neurology boards. Psychology majors are being required to take neurobiology courses.

This board is archaic and ridiculous.

Blixten has been trying hard to tell people that Sam and others who are posting are shams. Shame on her?

"This board is archaic and ridiculous."

Then why are you here, susiejo? What's your agenda??

CZ


Phoenix wrote: what if we’re all wrong
and its not really NPD’d people we were dealing with?
what if they were someplace else on the N scale?


The majority of people discussed as “Ns” on the boards (whether honestly or not) probably do not have NPD…and there is no such thing a “the N scale” (which school of therapy did you qualify in?).

Narcissism is not a fancy word for abuse or predation, it is a term for a specific characteristic that we all have to one extent or another.


would it have made a difference?


In the past tense, and to the person who self defines as “the victim”, probably not, but in terms of the future recovery, whether that means recovering from abuse, facing the fact that there was not real abuse, or even facing the reality to you were, to an extent at least, the abuser, it makes the same kind of dramatic difference you would expect from any serious misdiagnosis.

In the wider world where real people are living and coping with NPD whether in themselves or in someone they love it makes the same kind of difference as was made by forcing lepers to ring bells and cry “unlean, unclean”…

GD

Czbz,

Why are you here other than to “Save” people?

You apparently from your own statements have your own board. Pretty clear you interjected into this one when Blitzen made challenges to Sam. You have yet to make your point about anything. Do you support Sam or not? You write wishy washy, believer in nothing really.

I am here seeking answers from my experiences, but I find jokers like Sam and you who exploit situations such as my own. Jokers exploiting others in pain.

The wolves in sheep’s clothings, people of the lie as Scott Peck so identified you.

You're right, susiejo. I tend to joke when things get stressful.  My sense of humor kicks in everytime...been told my timing sucks pretty bad, though. Most times people lighten up a little bit and stop taking themselves too seriously!

"You write wishy washy, believer in nothing really."

You're right, I don't push my beliefs onto other people which might come across as wishy-washy. Listening to people's experiences on a forum is my purpose. And of course, validating what they've been through by relating with similar experiences of my own.

Can't really even respond to being called a Wolf in sheep's clothing or one of those People of the Lie.

Must be an abnormality of my brain which means of course, I'm not evil and nobody's my victim.

J'est kiddin' ya a little there, susiejo. ;-)

CZBZ

 

CzBz, You use many defense mechanisms to avoid being honest.

Why does honesty scare you?