Sam Vakin's Help to Us All

For anyone who's still reading this thread (aren't most people asleep by now??!!!###!), Wahela, Sandahl and I go back a few years. We met online and we do have our differences but one things for sure--we are sincerely interested in helping people heal.

In fact, it's fabulous that we have our differences since we're accused of being Cult-members. The more differences there are amongst forums, the better off everyone will be. That's my opinion and I'm stickin' to it.

If people do not like how managers maintain their forum, then do something positive! Build yer own! Creating a message board is easy enough to do really. It's the maintenance that's hard work.

AND...getting over yourself. That's kinda hard, too. ;-)

CZ

Save away, Blitzen. Post this thread on a webpage. Stick it on a billboard. Put it in a Christmas card and send it to my parents. Heck, send it to all your followers, Madame-I-Hate-Cults.

I have nothing to hide.

CZ

CZ,

Do you think a puppy would help??? :wink:

Now I don't know if a puppy would help or not. They are kinda cute and Dr. Oz says pets help people live longer and happier lives.

That doesn't say much about the life of the poor puppy though, does it? Guess it all depends on Who Gets the Puppy!

CZ

Being a puppy lover, I say let’s save the puppy, huh. :wink:

A puppy rescue? Now that sounds like fun!

Say Sand, what do you do when a forum member needs more help than you can offer? Do you refer them to a therapist? Do you offer links to therapeutic websites? Or do you call the police and get a restraining order?

J'est wonderin'

Most times, people figure out how to help themselves but there are special cases when self-help is contraindicated. I've pondered this a few times since I do know my limitations. Nothing highlights those limitations quite like living with a Narcissist. ha! See? There's a positive! Narcissists give us a head-start on healing.

CZ

At the risk of inundating this forum with off topic material, Blitzen, how is your old forum, “Narcissism Support Group- Moral andSpiritual struggle” doing?

wahela

Ummmm, in this case…I have to go with door #3

“Or do you call the police and get a restraining order?”

Ok, I confess, I am really an LA Jewess called INVICTA.

On weekends I am Lord Lucan instead.

GD

I was hoping we'd get to the bottom of things if we kept talking.

You know Blitzen, sometimes people project their truth onto others. It's not easy to know when we might be doing that so we have to trust other people to help us see through our self-deception.

The unconscious is a funny thing really. We believe we're wide awake...I mean, we're talking to people and they're just as convinced we're awake as we are. But we don't have to sleep with our eyes shut. Truth is, we can be sleepwalking right on through our lives and never experience a moment of reality.  

When other people say we're seeing things upside-down and backwards, we need to listen. Of course, the biggest problem here is that we have to TRUST other people in order to willingly hear what they have to say! If ten people say we're accusing them of things that aren't true---who do we believe? Our own version of reality or theirs?

How many people does it take to get us to question beliefs that may in fact, be distorted? How adamantly do we hold to our perceptions and reject anyone offering an alternative perspective?

Now I know this has been a rough night on everybody. Threads like this can seem like a waste of time and people get a tad rum-punch when the bantering goes back and forth without resolution. But who knows? Maybe we'll end up the best of friends having vented long enough to say what needed to be said.

So thanks for the long conversation, Blitzen. Even if I don't like what you have to say about me as a person, it's refreshing that you could be so honest.

Personally though? I think you're swell. Maybe a little like a rotweiller hanging on to Vaknin's jacket with your teeth---but we all have our weaknesses, don't we?

You have a strong message and you certainly have a point, or two or maybe even three; but your method of delivery kinda sucks. If we can cool it with the 'I hate you CZ' stuff, maybe we can talk again tomorrow.

Hugs,

CZBZ

No CZBZ,

What you really hoped is that you could either:

a) Impose Control (and BS) on me
b) Hurt me a lot

Or ideally both.

You failed on both counts, but not until you had shown your true colors, and how manipulative, unscrupulous and spiteful you really are for anyone to see.

…and it doesn’t matter how hard you try to twist that, that is all a lot of people will ever see in you after seeing this.

GD

Elsa Ronningstam quotes my work in her latest book and refers to it as
"informative and practical". Fact.

As to Kohut and Kernberg: my book contains detailed summaries of their work.
How can there be differences?

Sam

----- Original Message -----
From: “CZBZ” npd-cpt6649@lists.careplace.com
To: palma@unet.com.mk
Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 8:23 PM
Subject: Re: [npd] Sam Vakin’s Help to Us All

So do I, please! I LOVE puppies!

Sam

----- Original Message -----
From: “wahela” npd-cpt6649@lists.careplace.com
To: palma@unet.com.mk
Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 7:55 AM
Subject: Re: [npd] Sam Vakin’s Help to Us All

http://samvak.tripod.master.com/texis/master/search/?q=sad

http://samvak.tripod.master.com/texis/master/search/?q=emotions

Violent, Vindictive, Sadistic, and Psychopathic Narcissists

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/narcissisticabuse/message/4938

Sam
----- Original Message -----
From: “CZBZ” npd-cpt6649@lists.careplace.com
To: palma@unet.com.mk
Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 10:36 PM
Subject: Re: [npd] Sam Vakin’s Help to Us All

The Cyber Narcissist

http://samvak.tripod.com/journal67.html

What empathy and support? I am not here to give you empathy and support. I
am here to EDUCATE you about the dangers of narcissism and narcissists. I
was the first to link narcissism and abuse in relationships. Learn from me -
you don’t have to like me. But don’t throw the narcissist together with the
bath water (laughing).

----- Original Message -----
From: “thephoenix101” npd-cpt6649@lists.careplace.com
To: palma@unet.com.mk
Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 1:21 AM
Subject: Re: [npd] Sam Vakin’s Help to Us All

Wikipedia. a great, reliable source,. The scam-encyclopedia that anyone -
and I mean anyone - can and does edit. Great advice.

http://samvak.tripod.com/wikipedia.html

My work is simply a SUMMARY of hundreds of professional, scholarly books and
articles. Why would you want to reinvent the wheel? Even Ronningstam
herself - THE leading scholar on narcissism - calls my book and Website
"informative" and “practical”.

Or, do you dish out advice according to your PERSONAL likes and dislikes,
having been expelled and banned at my request from numerous forums?

Sam

PS:

The NPA test is experimental and is NOT yet accepted or recognized by
professionals.

Educate yourself here:

http://samvak.tripod.com/personalitydisorders11.html

----- Original Message -----
From: “CZBZ” npd-cpt6649@lists.careplace.com
To: palma@unet.com.mk
Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 1:14 AM
Subject: Re: [npd] Sam Vakin’s Help to Us All

Have you actually READ some of the posts here? Vile, vicious, malicious, and
sadistic. This is not selfishness (wrong word, by the way - better say
"self-centredness"). This is NARCISSISM:

http://samvak.tripod.com/faq23.html

http://samvak.tripod.com/faq42.html

Narcissists lash out at people becuase they are sad, or angry or envious.
There is no excuse or justification for this kind of behavior.

I repeat:

Many of the “victims” here are MALIGNANT narcissists.

It takes one to know them.

Sam

----- Original Message -----
From: “thephoenix101” npd-cpt6649@lists.careplace.com
To: palma@unet.com.mk
Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 10:13 PM
Subject: Re: [npd] Sam Vakin’s Help to Us All

Amnesia, not anomia. But she forgot the word (laughing).

----- Original Message -----
From: “mercenary” npd-cpt6649@lists.careplace.com
To: palma@unet.com.mk
Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 7:43 AM
Subject: Re: [npd] Sam Vakin’s Help to Us All

Thank you, Sue.

The anti-Vaknin campaign here frightened many of you who have written to me
privately to thank me.

I cherish everyone with the courage to do what you have just done -
acknowledge my contribution to your life in public - in the face of a sea of
vile, malignant narcissism displayed by self-described “victims”.

Sam

----- Original Message -----
From: “VICTIM” npd-cpt6649@lists.careplace.com
To: palma@unet.com.mk
Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 5:42 AM
Subject: Re: [npd] Sam Vakin’s Help to Us All

Poor puppy! She will probably call it “Vaknin” and starve it to death!

(shudders)

----- Original Message -----
From: “CZBZ” npd-cpt6649@lists.careplace.com
To: palma@unet.com.mk
Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 8:30 AM
Subject: Re: [npd] Sam Vakin’s Help to Us All