Read my correspondence at the bottom of this:
http://samvak.tripod.com/journal65.html
Sam
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From: “CZBZ” npd-cpt6649@lists.careplace.com
To: palma@unet.com.mk
Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 9:25 PM
Subject: Re: [npd] Sam Vakin’s Help to Us All
I warned you that Blitzen is completely insane. She has been stalking me and
other moderators, owners, and members of support forums for 9 years now.
BEWARE of her. She is a dangerous psychopath.
You don’t have to take my word for it: just observe her obsession with me
which borders on lunacy.
Multiple times, she wrote to me to offer a 'shared life" (shudders). Each
time I spurn her offer, she goes on a rampage.
She is sick, lonely, and pathetic - but that does not make her less of a
threat.
Sam
----- Original Message -----
From: “thephoenix101” npd-cpt6649@lists.careplace.com
To: palma@unet.com.mk
Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 2:36 AM
Subject: Re: [npd] Sam Vakin’s Help to Us All
I attest that CZBZ, Sandahl, and Wahela are NOT the same person.
I have got “thank you Sam Vaknin, you saved my life” kind of letters from
all three of them.
That was in the past, though. Now, they have grown up. Though, by their own
admission, I have saved their lives once, they are doing their best to ruin
mine.
Talk about gratitude.
Sandahl is so objective that she CENSORS OUT my writings. If you so much as
mention my name and my work on her forum, you get zapped nad banned
outright. That is in orde to be even-handed.
This is after Sandahl did two case studies with me and thanked me
(publicly).
Read for yourselves and decide when is she lying - then or now:
http://groups.msn.com/NARCISSISTICPERSONALITYDISORDER/drvakninsweeklycasestudies.msnw
http://groups.msn.com/NARCISSISTICPERSONALITYDISORDER/drvakninsweeklycasestudies2.msnw
Sam
----- Original Message -----
From: “CZBZ” npd-cpt6649@lists.careplace.com
To: palma@unet.com.mk
Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 4:58 AM
Subject: Re: [npd] Sam Vakin’s Help to Us All
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Sandahl is so objective that she CENSORS OUT my writings. If you so much as mention my name and my work on her forum, you get zapped nad banned outright. That is in orde to be even-handed.
As a comanager at Npartners, I can assure you nobody was ever zapped and banned outright (or even underhandedly ) for mentioning your name or your work. You have no links on NPs anymore . But no one ever gets banned because of you. that's for sure.
The only contact I have ever had with you, I probably did say thank you, however, your last words to me were "someone such as yourself needs major therapy." I had used the word codependent wrong in definition. So I doubt highly that I had said "you saved my life".ÂÂ
wahelaSam,
Elsa Ronningstam quotes my work in her latest book and refers to it as
"informative and practical". Fact.
So Elsa Ronningstam is gullable (or likes publicity?) who knew? She is still mistaken. She also clearly refers to you as a “layman”.
As to Kohut and Kernberg: my book contains detailed summaries of their work.
and
My work is simply a SUMMARY of hundreds of professional, scholarly books and
articles.
Summaries distorted to suit yourself you mean…generations of cult leaders and snake oil salesmen have done that with the bible and held up their hands and claimed.
How can there be differences?
Yeah, right…
Wikipedia. a great, reliable source,. The scam-encyclopedia that anyone -
and I mean anyone - can and does edit
Except you, because you got banned for using sockpuppets to try and support your false claims to notability and expert status http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Samvak .
Many of the “victims” here are MALIGNANT narcissists.
Got let you have that point…with a rider that many of those same victims may also be Femfree…and HONEST, I NEVER told Phoenix you said anything specifically about her in private…cross my heart…
The anti-Vaknin campaign here frightened many of you who have written to me privately to thank me.
Would those be the same 0-3 people who religiously read every one of your self promotional threads? (there is a COUNTER for page views :o) )
I warned you that Blitzen is completely insane. She has been stalking me and other moderators, owners, and members of support forums for 9 years now.
If that’s what you need to believe to keep your trouser mouse free of tension Sam, but I wasn’t the one who tried to beg, plead, threaten and intimidate YOU into meeting me in London and making a Channel 4 documentary with you, now was I?
Only last year too.
Funny how you never explain THAT “anti stalking” strategy to anyone???
Bet it took some explaining to your wife - in my own defence, USUALLY I wouldn’t make something like that public, but the little freak was slamming me on a public board, rather as above, while posting my real address and threatening to post my ex directory phone numbers, while simultaneously trying to cajole me to meet up with him in private mail…
I attest that CZBZ, Sandahl, and Wahela are NOT the same person.
I have got “thank you Sam Vaknin, you saved my life” kind of letters from
all three of them.
Or it could be one person sending three “thank you Sam Vaknin, you saved my life” kind of letters under different names…
Hell I must have “Hi I am your new best friend” letters from the same one of your handmaidens under HUNDREDS of different names over the years…
Never fell for it though, not after the first year or so…
Sandahl is so objective that she CENSORS OUT my writings. If you so much as mention my name and my work on her forum, you get zapped nad banned outright. That is in orde to be even-handed.
You DO know that Sandahl’s forum almalgamated with Femfree’s “network” YEARS ago? It’s a way of suckering up the “dissidents”…no doubt suggested by you…
And, c’mon, you KNOW what shreddies are…
GD
Noooooo,
You are pickin’ him up ALL WRONG…
Remember, that’s part of the strategy you discussed?
Where Sam slams you to give you the credibility you need to rope in his detractors for him?
Ring any bells?
Of course it’s a flawed strategy in the sense that it completely ignores that there are more options available that “for” or “against” Sam Vaknin…
…and that changing sides every time the wind changes (from whatever, to whatever) doesn’t give people any confidence in your integrity AT ALL…
…and you slip up and blow it sooner or later every time…
But it still is THE strategy…always was…
GD
Well Sam,
I have to say that what you are saying rings true to me (even the Devils doesn’t lie ALL the time)…
But to be honest, Femfree and friends aren’t 100% Samvak devotees…it’s more like a sick and codependent symbiosis…
Same as TC…only more so…
You kid yourself you are using them, and all the while they are playing you for their own agenda…
They even manufacture “attacks” on you so that you are dependent upon them to resolve it for you…
It’s a mistake predatory people oftem make…thinking they can defuse other predators by manipulating them to their advantage…deputising them if you like…
There are two major problems with that:
a) As soon as you try to use someone, you hand them a degree of power over you, and handing power over you to a predator is NEVER a clever idea, even when you are a predator yourself.
b) More than likely they are sizing you up with the EXACT same thing in mind.
GD
Sam,
I doubt my opinion about you and your book is important to you, but in saying the following about you, I’m honouring the same about many others, and inviting whomever hears something good in it, to do their own creative reclamation:
You have a dilemma or face a difficult truth about yourself. For you its being diagnosed with NPD and seeing your life in that moment as a shambles, and yourself as your own worst enemy. I accept that about you, and can say many of us, if we’re honest, have felt something similar at some other moment in our lives.
We can either become stuck, and reject that ugly truth about ourselves, in which case we start projecting it outwards, and looking for it in everyone else. “I’m not the one with the dilemma, THEY are! I’m not the disordered one, HE is!” When we’re stuck, we’re frozen in conflict. We’ve seen that play out here.
Or we can transform it into some kind of concrete product or involve ourselves in some other concrete action. We write a play, or join a political movement, or paint and exhibit canvases in which the subject of our dilemma is investigated, coped with or understood with more full awareness. We can move beyond just personal expresson to create something that stands by itself. I’m not sure that has or can happen in your experience, or if you vascillate between having moved forward or being stuck in conflict about it. Only you can know that.
In the process you become aware, you can sumamrize everything youve read and learned, you can in your writing divulge more of yourself, in the end you can see the fruits of your labours in a manuscript, and even later if youre lucky, booksales. There was lotus flower goodness that grew out of the pondscum. You harness your destructive energy in the service of a deeper understanding of yourself and contributed something useful to other human beings.
It was a discovery of your own special presence in the world.
Marc Chagall was once asked if he attended synagogue. He responded this his work was his prayer.
This personal attack stuff is NOT useful.
I wanted to say, however, Vikib wanted to tell you, your book was useful to her. It was a lotus flower useful to me too.
And as you intimated, we get to a stage of “having grown up” and moving on to other things MORE USEFUL in these new moments.
Thats not about gratitude or lack of it towards you, its about our roads to a better experience of life.
I will support people who in the facing of their dilemmas and unsavory self-truths, deciding to creatively explore and understand and accept them. I’m hoping there will be plenty more lotus flowers blossoming on this forum.
You know how Nazi Germany actually happened?
(Sam does, he studied it for years)
By getting people to testify as to have “Mein Kampf” had helped them, how it changed their lives, how it RESONATED with them…and by claiming that anyone who did not see it that way was “paranoid”, or “deluded”, or obstructing the benefits they derived from it, or destroying the loving community they had created around it…
First it was just fanatics, but the peer pressure was piled on anyone who criticised Hitler or Mein Kampf, soon, quite ordinary, normal people were claiming it had helped them, changed their lives, RESONATED with them…and claiming that anyone who did not see it that way was “paranoid”, or “deluded”, or obstructing the benefits they derived from it, or destroying the loving community they had created around it…
That didn’t make it right…
Did it Sam?
Every half significant cult is grown from seed along the same lines…it is something Sam has studied, and striven to emulate for years.
Haven’t you Sam?
GD
Hello Sam,
If memory serves, yes, I did do one case study.
I did so after being “nagged” for a long time, because the person setting up the studies for you could not come up with anyone for quite a while. So, it was a favor to a used-to-be friend, and it was informative, too. (thank you) Oh, and we even passed a couple of emails waaaaaaaaaaay back. Wouldn’t want that used as a “shocker”. 
And Yes, I did say Thank You, would you rather I had said Fk off? That would not have been a “nice” thing to say in public, now would it.
And so you know, you were removed from all of NPs after your main “friend” implanted every link there with other links to you.
As for banning over you, no one has been banned “over” you. And to this day, personal bashing of “anyone”, including you, is not permitted.
Heck, at some point in this thread, I even took up for ya…kinda, sorta.
CZ & Wahela…now y’all see “why” I don’t take apart in this kinda garbage 99% of the time…lol
Sand
Sorry try again Sam, it is anomia, not amnesia. Dictionary might help since it seems of importance to you.
It was just a long shot that you were Victim, and durn, how on target.
"I attest that CZBZ, Sandahl, and Wahela are NOT the same person."
Well, thank you for that, Sam. At least people won't accuse us of being fakes...though I am a bit surprised you even remember my name. It's been quite a few years since I participated on the MSN NPD forum. At least SOMEONE remembers me! ha!
"I have got "thank you Sam Vaknin, you saved my life" kind of letters from all three of them. That was in the past, though. Now, they have grown up....Talk about gratitude."
Well crum, Sam. I gave you fifty bucks to read your autobiography, how about a little reciprocal GRATITUDE, eh? Maybe you could share what you did with my fifty bucks: purchased a nice bottle of wine, bought some new cashmere socks, acquired more webspace for your links, etc.......It's none of my no-never-mind though. Just makin' conversation. I wouldn't mind being thanked though. OR appreciated a little bit.
Since we're finally talking to each other directly, maybe I can express a few of my concerns? Just for the record.
You see, my interest is in helping women get back on their feet. Offering validation and support for their struggles. Being someone they can rely upon to not only empathize, but also care about their recovery. This means they must take a giant leap and TRUST someone to be exactly who she appears to be.
But it isn't very hard to frighten people that are stressed and anxious during a terrible crisis in their lives, is it? Scaring people is the Bully's way to maintain control by planting seeds of distrust and letting those seeds root in a wounded person's heart and mind. It's chicken-shite-olay. Or the biggest rooster of all is accusing someone of being a Narcissist. It doesn't take much to ruin someone's credibility online, if that's the intent.
Another concern of mine is about 'healing'. On a forum of hurting people sharing their pain and suffering with each other, having Sam pop in on their dialogue with kajillions of links is abusive to say the least. I've got no problem with you posting your own thread every day, if educating people about Malignant Narcissism is your mission. But barging in on intimate threads between members is harmful to their healing process. So even though you most likely won't hear a word I have to say, I just need to say it anyway: Restrain Yourself. What people need is empathy and compassion, not MORE links or another book to read.
IF they want to read your articles, put a webpage up on every message board welcoming your input; but don't interrupt people's "process" with jarring posts stark of sympathetic understanding and emotional connection. Admit your limitations and Know your place. It's part of Growing Up.
"Though, by their own admission, I have saved their lives once, they are doing their best to ruin mine."
Sam, though it may be hard to believe, you are not the Center of my Attention. ;-) Ruining your life would be an waste of my energy and divert me from what really matters in my life.
I'm just guessing here but it seems to me you're fairly good at ruining your life all by yourself.
Since you are not a member of my forum (as far as I know) and since we are not in direct communication with one another other than CarePlace, would you mind backing up your previous statement with a few facts??
How have I tried to ruin your life??
Just like to know what your perceptions might be...I'd even read a few links if you have them to share.
CZBZ
I have saved their lives once, they are doing their best to ruin mine.
I agree with CZBZ, what am I doing to ruin your life? I don't post anywhere about you, I don't recommend or criticize your books or links. I pretty much don't have anything thoughts, pro or con about you.
I have reacted to YOUR attacks, but I cannot see where anyone (save the reindeer person) is attacking you. A little paranoia, perhaps?
I choose to live and let live. I started out on this forum with an open mind that perhaps we could dialog a bit. But I see that is just not possible with you.
wahela
Phoenix wrote:
And as you intimated, we get to a stage of “having grown up” and moving on
to other things MORE USEFUL in these new moments.
That’s not about gratitude or lack of it towards you, its about our roads to
a better experience of life.
Sam:
I have absolutely problem with that.
I do have a problem with having the SAME people who benefited from my work
turn around and slander, defame, and attack me.
Where I come from, this is called ingratitude.
----- Original Message -----
From: “thephoenix101” npd-cpt6649@lists.careplace.com
To: palma@unet.com.mk
Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 5:07 PM
Subject: Re: [npd] Sam Vakin’s Help to Us All
You have no links on NPs anymore .
Sam:
Censorship.
But no one ever gets banned
because of you. that’s for sure.
Sam:
Liar, pure and simple.
I think in this case CZ was right.
People spend their $50 to buy and read your book, you dont get to demand anything else from them. Theyre free to write a glowing review, or a scathing one, or worse not bother finishing the book. Dont they do that on Amazon.com? what difference is it if a rejection of your ideas is done there or here? I see that simply as being a critical thinker.
I also think youre failing to admit the role you play in having people turn on you.
I know youre smart enough to understand that, you addressed it numerous times in your writing. You dont get to play both sides at once.
Its what Ns do according to you, either in their awareness or out of it.
Its what a N reaps yes? exactly what they sew? (its not a matter of their ingratitude, its a matter of your self-sabotage)
That was one of the parts of the book I believed without hesitation.
No I am not a liar. You have no links left on Nps.
You are also beginning to sound suspiciously like the exNP. You do not sound like any kind of world class author. You sound just like the exNP that I lived with for 9 years. Little boy Lost. And you know what?..I don’t care.
I will no longer interact with you in any way. I’m just glad you don’t have my address. Then the ASPD would begin to worry me.
wahela
Liar.
You are lying about members NOT being banned or zapped when they mention my
name in the NP group.
Sam
----- Original Message -----
From: “wahela” npd-cpt6649@lists.careplace.com
To: palma@unet.com.mk
Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 6:44 PM
Subject: Re: [npd] Sam Vakin’s Help to Us All
I GAVE MYSELF THE NAME “VICTIM” ON THIS SIGHT BECAUSE THATS HOW I FELT. I HAD COME OUT OF A 34 YEAR MARRIAGE TO A PERFACT IDIOT. NO, HE WAS NOT A NARCISSIST. HE WAS AN ALCHOLIC, WOMANIZER AND VERBALLY ABUSIVE. I STAYED WITH HIM BECAUSE OF MY RELIGION. THEN HE FINIALLY SAID THAT HE WANTED TO BE SINGLE AGAIN. FOR THE 2 YEARS AFTER OUR DIVORCE, I TRIED TO FIND A LIFE FOR MYSELF. SUDDENLY THIS ABSOLUTLY WONDERFUL,(OR SO I THOUGHT) MAN CAME INTO MY LIFE. AFTER ALMOST TWO MORE YEARS OF GETTING TO KNOW ME, HE FINIALLY ASKED ME OUT. I THOUGHT I DIED AND WENT TO HEAVEN. I THOUGHT THAT GOD WAS FINIALLY GIVING ME SOME HAPPINESS TO MAKE UP FOR ALL THE YEARS THAT I SUFFERED WITH MY EX-HUSBAND. BUT I HAD NO IDEA THAT THESE CREATURES EXISTED. I DIDN’T KNOW WHAT THE RULES OF A RELATIONSHIP WERE. I JUST LOVED THAT MAN SO MUCH. THE REST OF THE STORY IS MUNDANE. IDEALIZATION, DEVALUATION, DISCARD. WHEN I COULD GET NO CLOSURE OUT OF HIM, I TYPED IN THE ONE WORD THAT DESCRIBED HIM INTO THE INTERNET. I KNEW HE WAS ATTRACTIVE AND ADORED HIMSELF. I HIT ON SAM’S SIGHT IMMEDIATELY. I WAS DEVESTATED. MY N. HIT ON ALL 9 SYMPTOMS. HE SOMETIMES SPOKE LIKE A CHILD WHEN ANSWERING HIS CELL PHONE. HE REFERRED TO OUR OUTINGS ON HIS MOTORCYCLE AS “GOING OUT TO PLAY”. I COULD GO ON AND ON BUT I WON’T. MY PICTURE IS 1 YEAR OLD THIS WEEK. YES I PROBABLY DO LOOK AND ACT A BIT YOUNGER THAN 61. GOOD GENES I GUESS. ALL I KNOW IS THAT SAM’S BOOK HAS HELPED TREMENDOUSLY. I ALWAYS KNEW MY EX-N WAS WEIRD . I JUST CHALKED IT UP TO HIS AGE,(64).
STUPID ME! I JUST THOUGHT HE WAS EXCENTRIC! BUT GOD HE IS GREAT LOOKING. SIX FEET TALL, TANNED FROM HEAD TO FOOT, 230 LBS., PURE WHITE HAIR, A WHITE MUSTACHE, WHITE GOATEE AND BLACK EYEBROWS. HE HAS 2 HARLEYS, A MINI-COOPER MADE BY BMW, A VOLKSWAGON, AND A DODGE RAM TRUCK. YES, HE HAD ALL THE TOYS. AND SUB-SERVIENT ME AROUND TEMPORALLY , MADE EVERYTHING COMPLETE UNTIL HIS NEXT SOURCE OF N. SUPPLY CAME INTO THE PICTURE. AT LEAST NOW I KNOW WHAT I WAS UP AGAINST. I USE THE NAME VICTIM ON THIS WEBSITE. ON ANOTHER SITE I USE THE NAME “SATANSX”. BOY THEY COULD HAVE HAD A FIELD DAY WITH THAT ONE ON THAT DISCUSSION YESTERDAY. IT’S JUST THE WAY I FEEL. SUE