SAM'S DAILY LINK Sex and Personality Disorders

Dear Mr. Vaknin,

Because it appears that accuracy is important to you and intellectual laziness an unforgivable sin, I'd like to reply to a few of your comments. We've had this discussion before...and before...perhaps you will hear me this time. Or is this another example of my Malignant Optimism?? LOL

CZBZ wrote in a prior message: "Sam Vaknin is not the only person writing about NPD. Most of the people I talk with have read far beyond Vaknin's Intro to NPD101. What Sam offers is personal insight into his disorder which is very helpful for cutting through our Pollyanna-esque perceptions, thank GOD. From there, we can study NPD by researching psychological theorists who may or may not be so honest as to admit they are bonafide Narcissists themselves."

To which Sam Vaknin replied: "You are conveniently forgetting 2 points: (1) I started it all. I was the first to write extensively about narcissism, back in 1998 and make all my work freely available on the Internet."

CZ replies to Sam's reply: (1) Are you the first person to write about narcissism??? Perhaps you are one of the first people to willingly divulge the distorted reality of the Malignant Narcissist as defined by the NPD criteria.

Sam: "The vast majority of victims - yourself included - came to be aware of their predicament by FIRST reading my work online."

CZ replies to Sam's reply: My introduction to narcissism was Alexander Lowen's book after finding the NPD criteria in the DSM-IV at Barnes and Nobles bookstore. Reading your work on the web was my first introduction to a malignant narcissist willingly divulging information about his mental disorder.

Sam: (2) Narcissism101? You got to be kidding me. My Website contains 1409 articles about every conceivable aspect of narcissism, psychopathy, personality disorders, and abusive relationships. It's the most comprehensive resource there is, backed by extensive bibliographies."

CZ replies to Sam's reply: (2) I used the term narcissism101 because your writings are accessible to the layperson, frequently inspiring them to read theoretical work focused on psychological studies and research.

Sam: "How do I know that it's the most comprehensive resource there is? You said so yourself - before you quarreled with Femfree, that is."

CZ replies to Sam's reply AGAIN: This is a FACT: I have never quarreled with Femfree. We have never argued directly, unless of course, she was posting messages under an alias. ;-(

Another fact: Nobody argues/debates with Femfree. That would be akin to having a discussion with a brick wall. LOL

Sam: "In any case, your policy of deleting any and all references to my work does a disservice to your membership. whatever you think about me, your members would most definitely benefit from reading my work."

CZ replies to Sam's false allegations: I do not delete references to your work nor do I, nor have I ever, censored/banned/canceled the memberships of anyone mentioning your name or your work.

You might also benefit from reading my writings and getting your facts in order because you are making inaccurate assumptions.

I selected the work of Nina Brown to be the foundation to my website, not because of an anti-Vaknin agenda; but because it is VERY important to make the distinction between Destructive Narcissistic Patterns and the Malignant Narcissist.

You are still listed on my link pages, as are many of your articles though it is most likely redundant (if members have access to Google, that is).

However, being listed as a credible resource does not grant you immunity from people thinking critically for themselves or questioning your writings.

Encouraging critical inquiry of anyone pertaining to be an authority is an essential remediation of narcissistic abuse.

CZBZ 

Whatever, Carolyn, whatever turns you on (laughing). I am tired of arguing
with
bored-housewives-turned-experts-following-menopause-and-midlife-crisis-cum-adulterous-husbands.
Your minds are so vacuous that I find it numbing to engage in these
conversations. Plus, you are AMERICANS!

http://ceeandbalkan.tripod.com/pp112.html

Brrrr… (laughing again).

Sam

Dear Mr. Vaknin,

Because it appears that accuracy is important to you and intellectual
laziness an unforgivable sin, I’d like to reply to a few of your comments.
We’ve had this discussion before…and before…perhaps you will hear me
this time. Or is this another example of my Malignant Optimism?? LOL

CZBZ wrote in a prior message: "Sam Vaknin is not the only person writing
about NPD. Most of the people I talk
with have read far beyond Vaknin’s Intro to NPD101. What Sam offers is
personal insight into his disorder which is very helpful for cutting through
our Pollyanna-esque perceptions, thank GOD. From there, we can study NPD by
researching psychological theorists who may or may not be so honest as to
admit they are bonafide Narcissists themselves."To which Sam Vaknin replied:
“You are conveniently forgetting 2 points: (1) I started it all. I was the
first to write extensively about narcissism, back in 1998 and make all my
work freely available on the Internet.”

CZ replies to Sam’s reply: (1) Are you the first person to write about
narcissism??? Perhaps you are one of the first people to willingly divulge
the distorted reality of the Malignant Narcissist as defined by the NPD
criteria.

Sam: “The vast majority of victims - yourself included - came to be aware of
their predicament by FIRST reading my work online.”

CZ replies to Sam’s reply: My introduction to narcissism was Alexander
Lowen’s book after finding the NPD criteria in the DSM-IV at Barnes and
Nobles bookstore. Reading your work on the web was my first introduction to
a malignant narcissist willingly divulging information about his mental
disorder.

Sam: (2) Narcissism101? You got to be kidding me. My Website contains 1409
articles about every conceivable aspect of narcissism, psychopathy,
personality disorders, and abusive relationships. It’s the most
comprehensive resource there is, backed by extensive bibliographies."

CZ replies to Sam’s reply: (2) I used the term narcissism101 because your
writings are accessible to the layperson, frequently inspiring them to read
theoretical work focused on psychological studies and research.

Sam: “How do I know that it’s the most comprehensive resource there is? You
said so yourself - before you quarreled with Femfree, that is.”

CZ replies to Sam’s reply AGAIN: This is a FACT: I have never quarreled with
Femfree. We have never argued directly, unless of
course, she was posting messages under an alias. ;-(

Another fact: Nobody argues/debates with Femfree. That would be akin to
having a discussion with a brick wall. LOL

Sam: “In any case, your policy of deleting any and all references to my work
does a disservice to your membership. whatever you think about me, your
members would most definitely benefit from reading my work.”

CZ replies to Sam’s false allegations: I do not delete references to your
work nor do I, nor have I ever, censored/banned/canceled the memberships of
anyone mentioning your name or your work.

You might also benefit from reading my writings and getting your facts in
order because you are making inaccurate assumptions.

I selected the work of Nina Brown to be the foundation to my website, not
because of an anti-Vaknin agenda; but because it is VERY important to make
the distinction between Destructive Narcissistic Patterns and the Malignant
Narcissist.

You are still listed on my link pages, as are many of
your articles though it is most likely redundant (if members have access to
Google, that is).

However, being listed as a credible resource does not grant you immunity
from people thinking critically for themselves or questioning your writings.

Encouraging critical inquiry of anyone pertaining to be an authority is an
essential remediation of narcissistic abuse.

CZBZ

Can we move this here

http://www.careplace.com/forum/topic/7142

Because the quantity of data being rendered on the original thread every time someone hits “reply” is liable to bring the servers to a standstill if people keep using it.

And I believed we may have dial in users too, so let’s not exclude them?

GD

PS Sam, drink the coffee fer Chrissakes…you are firing on your own side…

Cripes...I spent thirty minutes typing that message and alls I get is an insult? *sigh*

The intention behind my reply was to set the record straight for anyone assuming your perceptions were infallible. ;-)

CZ

 

I can not believe what just took place, and now it makes all the sense in the world why Blitzen/susiejo/Gay does not get our pain. My question is, why Blitzen are you on this site? You claim that you never had a serious relationship (and the one you speak of was not narcissistic), and you claim to have been diagnosed with Asperger’s. It doesn’t make any sense to me.

Mayo Clinic Findings:

Signs and symptoms
Signs and symptoms of Asperger’s syndrome include:

Engaging in one-sided, long-winded conversations, without noticing if the listener is listening or trying to change the subject
Displaying unusual nonverbal communication, such as lack of eye contact, few facial expressions, or awkward body postures and gestures
Showing an intense obsession with one or two specific, narrow subjects, such as baseball statistics, train schedules, weather or snakes
Appearing not to understand, empathize with, or be sensitive to others’ feelings
Having a hard time “reading” other people or understanding humor
Speaking in a voice that is monotonous, rigid or unusually fast
Moving clumsily, with poor coordination
Having an odd posture or a rigid gait

If this indeed is what Blitzen is diagnosed with, then of course she can not empathize with what we are feeling. So why are we bantering back and forth with her?

Thanks Mariel Lee,

Trisha is hounding my message mailbox like a maniac. You just provided words explaining my frustration with her.

Mayo Clinic Findings:

Showing an intense obsession with one or two specific, narrow subjects, such as Gaye and Susiejo.

Some of her friends need to help that woman or whatever she is, she has gone bonkos.

Well I figured out how to block her messages - some relief. I’m serious, somebody needs to help her.

As far as why everyone is bantering back and forth, maybe their “healing” is not going so good.

Hello Mariel,

There ye go, twistin’ ma sh*t again…that’s why I don’t give many bio details…it’s less facts for you to twist inside out.

As a direct result of your snide remarks I just spent an hour discovering (to my delight) that someone I thought had been dead for over 25 years is alive, happy and well and doing great things for his community…

Susiejo,

HOW did you block Trisha…she has been pestering me too.

GD

OOPS!

I HATE e-mail. So much can’t be conveyed!

My response was TONGUE IN CHEEK, meant to be humorous. That’s why I inserted
(laughing) everywhere. Did not mean to insult.

And, for the record, I am not infallible (laughing).

Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to you and yours!!

Sam

CZBZ:

Cripes…I spent thirty minutes typing that message and alls I get is an
insult? sigh

The intention behind my reply was to set the record straight for anyone
assuming your perceptions were infallible. :wink:

CZ

"Hello Mariel,

There ye go, twistin’ ma sh*t again…that’s why I don’t give many bio details…it’s less facts for you to twist inside out.

As a direct result of your snide remarks"

Nobody is interested in “twisitn anyones shit” nor are they interested in “snide remarks” but when it comes to you being a complete pest, there are only 2 choices. Get off the site, or try to let you know that your presence here is not welcome due to the nature of it.

its not rocket science, without disrespect to you, like everyone else here, I dont know you, but i do know that you are a menace on this particular site, you and your chum. There are no constructive interactions apart from between your two selves. Just lots of poor me’s about how much people are getting at you both. “There ye go, twistin’ ma sh*t again” unless you seriously enjoy that childish whinging, its time to hear what is a very basic message and move on.

Sam,

I have been familiar with your sense of humor for the guts of 10 years and THAT was, most definately, not and example if it.

Nic,

If you are not interested in “twisitn anyones shit” or “snide remarks” I suggest you stop forcing yourself to produce so much in future.

You have your own board “True Healing” if you don’t like it here why don’t you go back there? In fact, why don’t you EVER post there? Whay are you posting here at all?

GD

Would you please stop sending me emails?> To: rbuckner62@hotmail.com> From: npd-cpt7103@lists.careplace.com> Subject: Re: [npd] SAM’S DAILY LINK Sex and Personality Disorders> Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 15:04:51 -0500> >

To block a person from sending personal messages, hit the “Account & Privacy” key on the left under “Tools”. Than hit Privacy. Scroll down, type her name in the box to block her.

"Nic,

If you are not interested in “twisitn anyones shit” or “snide remarks” I suggest you stop forcing yourself to produce so much in future. "

you and susiejo are the ones doing the forcing, see below.

"You have your own board “True Healing”

I HAVE MY OWN BOARD!!! LOL

thats getting right to the heart of your mentality my dear.

“if you don’t like it here why don’t you go back there?” This is the main board where everyone shoud be welcome, it was the first and it is the most general. new comers will arrive here first. they deserve to land in a safe place, whether they are NPD, survivors of N abuse, or looking for answers on fixing this problem in the future(new path).

“In fact, why don’t you EVER post there? Whay are you posting here at all?”

4 forums is too many, the community is overly fragmented and you have comandeered the main board. Sorry dear but that is the fact of the matter and most people are way too polite to say it, you appear incapable of understanding what has happened here or why. I post because i want to. Non offensive, often selfish dialoge You post because you are a menace and have issues with sam, and a chip on your shoulder that makes you scathing and unpleasant almost immediately you engage in dialogue, REGARDLESS of who it is with. Me PD, Bup, Mariel, and pretty much anyone else who is around here. cant think of a singe one apart from susiejo who wihes to interact with you, apart from to attempt to make you stop.

There are claims here that this is a habit of yours, it certainly seems to me from what i have learned of you here that accusation must be true.

Yep, I have her now…

That will be the ends of all the private bilge…thanks

GD

I asked that you please stop sending me emails.> To: rbuckner62@hotmail.com> From: npd-cpt7103@lists.careplace.com> Subject: Re: [npd] SAM’S DAILY LINK Sex and Personality Disorders> Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 15:05:51 -0500> >

bump (please dont respond anyone)

Can you share with us what is the problem?

Sam
----- Original Message -----
From: “PrimaDonna” npd-cpt7103@lists.careplace.com
To: palma@unet.com.mk
Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2007 2:51 PM
Subject: Re: [npd] SAM’S DAILY LINK Sex and Personality Disorders

no need to…I’ve been perfectly clear throughout

I’ve said what I mean, and meant what I said.