SAM'S DAILY LINK Sex and Personality Disorders

Hmm…then I can see there is a gap here. I think it was yesterday you said you couldnt speak about attachment or intimacy for Aspie’s in general, only for yoruself. I can tell you from working with a few Aspie teens now, that in fact they do want friends, although probably in a different way than normal people do. It may just be because of this adolescent phase in their life that a peer group is important to them. I see this one particular one work very hard at entertaining them, engaging them with his creative playful ideas and how happy and excited he is when he actually accomplishes that.

He doesnt want to befriend the nefarious either. But when he is frustrated he does start mumbling how awful they all are, and how much he hates them…to which they dont react too kindly, as you can well imagine, theyre just being normal kids…well as normal as our kids can be anyway. And he has been putting an awful lot of effort in trying to get a girlfriend, which as I’m sure you can also imagine is particularly hard slogging for him since he doesnt read the girls cues, he doesnt have empathy or consideration for their feelings and they end up getting creeped out by him. Its painful to watch.

And he abandons reality most of the time, prefering to speak in the voice of a cartoon character most of the time, and donning a cape and sword as he runs loops around the school hallways when he is having his meltdowns, claiming he is a fictional person in a fictional place. Its is precisely the demands and overwhelming stimulation of reality that he has incredible difficulty tolerating…despite wanting too very badly.

I have seen him be gullible and fall for BS from other students who are nefarious, and I often wonder if he feels betrayed by them when he gets in trouble for the things they goad him into doing.

I wish very much for him to make more solid relationships with kids who wont do that to him, and perhaps could act as a shield so that wont happen again.

He is incredibly resistant to help and guidance from his mother, his educational assistant, the administrator, his teachers, the Autism Society people who are advocating for him, any authority figure no matter how good intentions or knowledgeable they are about his particular problems, although that might be solely adolescent rebellion playing out in very difficult ways for him.

non verbal cues require the skill of projection. I say skill becaue unlike people who use projection neurotically ( and misread other people’s motives and intentions because they are suspicious and resentful of others, gathering evidence against everyone in order to protect themselves) normal people learn how to project accurately, to understand the cues and have a sense of what others are feeling and experiencing. We dont feel the other persons sadness but we can use projection by recognizing the cues and remembering what sadness felt like. Aspie’s dont do that.

Which makes how projection (the neurotic, misreading, paranoid, evidence-gathering sort) that is displayed on this board unusual in terms of Aspie’s, unless, I’m pondering, theyve been feeling so thwarted and frustrated they utilize it as a defense mechanism and blame their social difficulties on others, rather than admitting its a shortcoming due to their autism.

As was said in this presentation, analyzing the cues is not a very effective way of getting along with others, but its all theyve got at their disposal, IF they have someone patient and knowledgeable enough to teach them that.

We dont have someone on staff who has that as their task with this kid, and sometimes I wonder if at age 15 it might be too late.

I dont know…I’m not a specialist, but I, and a number of my colleagues felt quite hopeless after that workshop.

Trisha,

One thing I can tell you is that I am not going to fall for your BS…

If this was a real kid that you were really concerned about you would be over on wrongplanet.net asking questions…

…not here, trying to use the concept of AS as a device to play me.

GD

Thats the problem with neurotic projection isnt it?

Projectors are so certain of their misreadings, no one can convince them otherwise, so I’m not bothering trying to anymore. You’ll only read that as defensive and use that as evidence to prove your case against me.

But thats OK, youre just a forum member, one I have not much in common with so its doesnt hurt my feelings if you hate or mistrust me.

But I do care about this kid not being in agony any longer than he has to be. If it werent for that I wouldnt be attempting a dialogue with you. I have plenty of experience with you putting energy into battling me.

I’m not asking these questions for me, I’m asking for this kid.

Youre the only adult Aspie I have any experience with. If you dont care to speak plainly and unguarded aout your own experiences as an adult Aspie then I can respect that. I appreciate your honesty that the reason you wont help is because of your paranoia.

As I’ve said many times, considering the very stringent demands you have, I will disappoint. I cant be counted on in those terms. I’m honest and forthright, with a good measure of self-awareness, but I am certainly not someone a person like you can count on.

Trisha,

If you were being sincere about a real kid with AS…not only would you have asked me a lot sooner (instead of waiting for a time when it suits you to take yet another shot at invalidating me…convenient that :o) ) but you would also be ONLY TOO HAPPY to take it over to wrongplanet.net and discuss it with an unlimited number of Adult Aspies…

GD

PS. Seeing through you is NOT “paranoia” just common sense…you aren’t exactly subtle.

Phoenix, Gaye was never diagnosed with anything. She admitted as much in
numerous posts to countless boards and support groups. Being a psychopath,
Gaye is a habitual liar and often contradicts herself as she can’t keep
count and tally of her own deceit. Her newfound self-diagnosis as an
Asperger’s patient is a few months old. I keep warning you of her and you
keep coming back for more abuse from her.

More to the point:

Misdiagnosing Narcissism - Asperger’s Disorder

http://samvak.tripod.com/journal72.html

Misdiagnosing Personality Disorders as Asperger’s Disorder

http://samvak.tripod.com/personalitydisorders62.html

----- Original Message -----
From: “PrimaDonna” npd-cpt7103@lists.careplace.com
To: palma@unet.com.mk
Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2007 3:18 PM
Subject: Re: [npd] SAM’S DAILY LINK Sex and Personality Disorders

Violent, Vindictive, Sadistic, and Psychopathic Narcissists

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/narcissisticabuse/message/4938

Projection and Projective Identification - Abuser in Denial

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/narcissisticabuse/message/5002

----- Original Message -----
From: “PrimaDonna” npd-cpt7103@lists.careplace.com
To: palma@unet.com.mk
Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2007 4:07 PM
Subject: Re: [npd] SAM’S DAILY LINK Sex and Personality Disorders

Trisha, I’ve never gotten any label from a therapist other than normal and I can as well see your manipulative game playing and gross dishonesty. I also know you are very much aware of these shortcomings within yourself. Except you do see them as shortcomings, you rather prefer them so to control others and feel powerful.

well, what was beneficial about this workshop is that now everyone on staff has some knowledge and understanding about Aspie’s they didnt have before, and so they will be adjusting their expectations and their dealings with this particular student.

What would have been of benefit to you in talking about it here, is then other forum members might, like my work colleagues alter their expectations of you, and perhaps change how they deal with you so you , and more importantly THEY, wouldnt feel quite so much agitation in dealing with you socially on this forum, since you seem to have that swirling about you.

So it would have been a win/win situation.

Right now, for the most part I’m editing photos, while monitoring my email, reading articles a therapist friend has sent me about autism, and watching this forum in my peripheral vision. I cant be in all places, taking care of all people, doing all good things all the time. For someone with the flu, I think I’m doing pretty darn good right now with everything I am doing.

My main resource for this kid is the specialist who came to the school this week, who will be returning, and for right now at least, the plan is to try and wrangle the system to see if more extentsive testc an be done, so that decisions about his appropriate placement can be done with all the evidence people with the power can gather. My best bet is he is in the wrong place. The type of kids e have are the worst kids for him to be around because of their own behavioural and psychological issues. He needs a more rigid, routine environment with more quiet, predictable and tolerant peers.

This is just a Sunday morning in my life Gaye. I’m not an omniscient, omnipresent God. I’m just a sick chick sitting up rather than choking while lying down, curious about some of the goings on in my little slice of the universe.

Its OK, protect yourself. God knows, you wouldnt want my manipulative false self to hurt you with these lies and betrayals.

sheesh

youre not looming that large on my horizon, it was just a conversation, a point of curiousity

Sam,

You have disqualified yourself from any respectable or trustworthy statement about anyone or anything by virtue of proclaiming yourself to be a psychopath.

Trisha,

How people on this forum respond to others is reflective of who they are, not who Blitxen or myself are. Having a counselor’s license does not require one having their own head straight on their shoulders as you so aptly display. As is obvious in your case, you took what minimal training you got and have used it only to enhance your manipulative skills.

When you persist in such tactics, it is quite difficult to believe that your prior relationship failed because he was an “N” and disassociated from you for that reason.

I’m just a normal chick with a normal life right now. I didnt ask these questions earlier because I wasnt even accurately aware of what we were dealing with until this specialist came in this week. The reason I didnt ask you the very day of her workshop was because, well, I have a life with many many other points of interest, tasks to be done, things to be worked out, and while I do care about this kid, I also care about my mother, my friends, my son, my exhusband, my own health, the upcoming holidays, even my workspouse more than I did about this kid when I left work to come home.

having said that, its not your job to assess or guage just how caring or not caring I am about my work or the people I deal with in my life. Thats my job. You may have notriced yesterday I asked you questions about Aspies in terms of intimacy and attachment, and I said absolutely nothing judgmental about what you did share. In fact I found it quite informative.

So anything you read into my moticves and intentions regarding my interest in Aspies is a fictitious creation of your own making, IF you decide to disbeliev what I say about my own life, or my own point of curiousity.

As I said before, youre not a very big blip on my screen. There wont be a gift under my tree for you. I wont be going to work thinking about you.

I’m at home talking to you, but thinking about somebody else, working on somethingS else, drinking my tea, eating my vit C, marvelling at this Grand Storm the eastern part of North America is experiencing right outside my window. Its been snowing so heavily all night and since I dragged myself tot his seat at 6am, I cant even see my bright ered sports car 100 ft below my balcony.

Its just a discussion…its no big deal Gaye, dont get your knickers in a knot.

Theres a big beautiful life out there, go try and soak some of it up in as best way you can as an Aspie. Thats all you or anyone else can hope for isnt it?

now, I’m going back to photo editing, I need more beauty and less ugliness in this moment.

Its the Christmas season afterall. Try…just alittle bit to get some goodwill going again today like you did last night.

Bup,

if what Sam says is true, and Gaye has been obsessed with mental health forums for years and years that would fit with the obsessive nature of an Aspie’s focused interest. The need to become an expert in one particular thing. The rigidity of being unable to budge their experience or opinion of that subject/focus.

Aspie’s also experience a lot of anger and frustration and they have less impulse control so they express their anger in inappropriate ways towards other people.

I’ve seen that daily for a number of years now. I havent seen the character assassination thats been the pattern here though.

But then, if what Gaye said about her relationship with her parents is true, that would leave her, like any of the rest of us, with unfinished business, separate from her autism, that she’d be acting out with those around her.

If she has difficulty socially, then we’re her sole social circle…and we become the target for that working out of unfinished business.

It makes sense to me.

I’m inclined, at least for now, to believe what Gaye has said about herself.

The pieces all seem to fit loosely for now anyway.

That’s f’d up. Asperger’s is a very serious and sad disorde, but I
guess being an erotomaniac stalker
has its sad moments as well.
On Dec 16, 2007, at 10:37 AM, samvaknin wrote:

Have a really wonderful Sunday everyone.

I hope any of you who are in this massive snow storm with me enjoy the magic and majesty of Nature today.

Take good care of your snow shovelling back muscles :slight_smile:

I guess Pheonix. My friend is the head of wrap around program for
the Devereux Foundation for Asperger’s syndrome. I will ask her if
this would fall under this category. My nephew does get angry and
fixated.
He told his teacher to “fuck off” the other day. There is some OCD as
well. I just think it is an unusual way
to spend one’s time. He focuses on sports statistics and plays video
games. Maybe this will emerge into a stalking type mentality.

Although, hey look at me, I AM HERE and I am considered NORMAL. I
am intrigued by Sam’s opinions, but only because he seems to " know"
the ins and outs of this disorder and I am collecting information for
a FASCINATING novel. I have the title. IT IS GOING TO BE SO
GOOD. And he has changed my whole perception of my family. THEY
ARE NONE TOO PLEASED THAT I HAVE SEEN THE LIGHT. THEY HATE ME SO
MUCH RIGHT NOW. I HAVE SHINED THE LIGHT IN THEIR PUPILS. AND MY BRO
IS NOT STUPID. HE KNOW THE GIG IS UP!

On Dec 16, 2007, at 10:39 AM, PrimaDonna wrote:

Bup,

If your dad and brother really had NPD, you would not be listening to anything said by Sam Varkin, a self proclaimed NPD, psychopath, pathological liar.

Trisha,

I think your loyal belief in Sam likely reflects some old conversation on this board about the easiest con to con is the con.

Bup,

You honestly don’t have a clue what AS is…but you do have, at least 3 identities on this forum that chip in whenever they see a bit of trouble to be stirred.

Trisha,

Same old, same old…and it isn’t any more sincere or convincing than usual

Sam,

You do not actually have any way to know whether I have a diagnosis or not to be making proclamations about it (unless you have been HAVING ME FOLLOWED :o) ) …

What you DO know is that I posted “The Renegade” last night, and, after a few glasses of wine made an indiscreet reference I rather wish I hadn’t (just because I don’t like you and your handmaidens having anything that REALLY matters to me to play with), to something much more recent…

Doesn’t your wife mind you throwing a mentaller over another woman?

GD

I am confused by this Gaye. I don’t understand. I think that I
would be listening because I am sucked in
to people with NPD because that is what I am used to. And I
definitely believe this is EXACTLY what they have. I am used to
being suckered by con artists…But now the “twist” of reality
is UP. I will no longer be sucked
into the vortex. I AM RATIONAL. And if they don’t have NPD, what I
am doing here? I just follow by the simple
explanation of the disorder.

On Dec 16, 2007, at 10:55 AM, susiejo wrote:

Hilarious that you blocked them! Oh the echos bounce this morning
Sam. But it is a GREAT DAY FOR ME. I love being able to be free of
this horror. It is SO NASTY outside in Philadelphia today. My kids
are running around after our new kitten. Our fire is crackling. I
am sipping my coffee. My house is cozy and decorated. I couldn’t be
more domesticated and happy…I am sure my father and brother would
be horrified. The sappy, middle class, doldrums and ennui that is my
world…Little do they know that my intelligence
level has increased to genius status and my confidence has tripled.

On Dec 16, 2007, at 11:19 AM, samvaknin wrote: