PD:
Calling someone “a psycho”, UNprovoked is abusive. No one can argue with
that.
How come I never saw you chastising bup for calling me a “psycho”?
Is there a double standard here:
If YOU abuse me it’s part of your recovery - but if I abuse you, I am a
beast?
No go. Treat me respectfully and I promise to reciprocate.
Call me a psycho and I will behave as one.
Even bup can grasp that (I think).
so true bup
you wont be here forever
sam will
blitzen has to go
Sam,
To a pathological nit picker, Bup was wrong to use the familiar form of your latest incarnation “I, Psychopath”, without first asking leave.
Not as wrong as you have been to persistently refer to me as a “narcissistic psychopath” when I am not even in dialogue with you, and only in an itsy, bitsy, teeny, weeny way…but still wrong…
Now go and have your tea.
GD
I LOVE THE LOGICAL SEQUENCE OF EVENTS… BRILLIANT
MOVE… A TO B, B TO C, THEREFORE A =C. SOCRATES AND
PLATO WOULD BE PROUD…
Bup called me “a psycho” unprovoked.
Was she right to do so?
Was it abusive on her part?
Simple “yes” or “no” questions.
You are being evasive because you know the answers:
Bup was wrong to call me names unprovoked.
Bup behaved abusively by calling me names unprovoked. She acted as
an abuser.
SAM, YOU KNOW DARN WELL I AIN’T NO ABUSER…DON’T HAVE A
MEAN BONE IN MY BODY…
UNFORTUNATELY OTHERS KNOW THIS TOO SO I AM A TARGET FROM A MILE
AWAY…ME AND
MY BIRDS ON MY SHOULDER…FALALALLALALALALALALA
On Dec 17, 2007, at 2:01 PM, samvaknin wrote:
Lets set the record straight Sam. I havent abused you as part of my recovery. I didnt call you a psycho. Yet you verbally abused me by doing as you say, hitting hard.
So I will use the example again as I mentioned before. Even an abusive husband cannot claim innocence or fairness after beating his wife to claim “she started it”.
In this way you are just like my ex N/P…whom I used to call Mr Tenfold. Any slight he received from anyone, no matter what the spirit was behind the slight, he made them suffer ten times as much to “get even” or “teach them a lesson” because he felt “justified” as they “brought it upon themselves”.
sorry…thats abuse.
it just is
no fancy footwork will change it.
If you dont like someone calling you a psycho, then tell them it upsets you and that you want them to stop. I somehow suspect, sweet Bup would have stopped.
Mr Tenfold didnt like it that a cab driver cut him off. He got out of his car at the next light and punched out the cab driver. Now you tell me, if a cop would have been there, who would have been arrested and charged? Do you really think if Mr T would have said “I was justified, he cut me off” the cop would say “oh well then, why didnt you say so? carry on Mr T”???
LOL
and I’m the one being called thick-skulled?
you dont like getting narcissistic injuries…no kidding…we all got it…and we all get it that that doesnt excuse being abusive.
I DONT SEEM SO SWEET ANYMORE, DO I? BUT I WILL CHOOSE TO BE SWEET TO
THOSE WHO
ARE SWEET TO ME. BUT MY INSTINCTS HAVE TO TELL ME WHO IS SWEET AND
WHO ISN’T SO SWEET.
I KNOW MAMOLIE IS SWEET, I KNOW PRIMA IS A DIFFERENT KIND OF SWEET.
AND NOW I KNOW THAT
MY DAD AND BROTHER ARE NOT “SWEET”. AND NEED TO BE DELT WITH IN A
DIFFERENT MANNER. I KEPT ON BEING SWEET, SWEET BUP, AND THEY KEPT ON
CRUSHING ME. IT IS JUST TOTALLY UNACCEPTABLE AND I AM ALLOWED TO
STAND UP TO THEM LIKE THE 6 YEAR OLDS THAT THEY ARE.
LIKE WHEN YOUD DEAL WITH A CHILD, “THIS IS TOTALLY UNACCEPTABLE
BEHAVIOR.”
On Dec 17, 2007, at 1:34 PM, PrimaDonna wrote:
Trisha wrote: In this way you are just like my ex N/P…whom I used to call Mr Tenfold. Any slight he received from anyone, no matter what the spirit was behind the slight, he made them suffer ten times as much to “get even” or “teach them a lesson” because he felt “justified” as they “brought it upon themselves”.
Trisha, obviously you could not get the message from your boyfriend either, no matter how hard he tried impressing it back on you. I can see why he finally just left the country and totally disassociated with you. That is not NPD - it is self preservation from you.
Thick skulled or just no brain functioning at all?
good, now piss off!
Sam,
You have chosen to identify yourself with the documentary “I, Psychopath”.
You, are hardly in a position to object to being called Psychopath, but I agree psycho is a little familiar…
http://www.magicreal.com.au/filmandtv.php?film=4
Psychopaths - we usually only know them from Hollywood movies, as serial killers, rapists or sadists. We never expect them to enter our real life. But, the psychopath is closer than you think. Experts believe their number to be as high as one in a hundred.
But, it takes one to truly know one.
Meet Sam Varkin - our guide on a unique journey, which takes us across four continents. But, it’s unchartered territory…deep into the mind and life of a psychopath. The 44-year-old convicted conman has agreed to take part in the pursuit of his own diagnosis…meeting the world’s experts in psychopathy, debating the always controversial issues, and even putting his brain on the line in the hope of gaining a better understanding for what he describes as the “desultory waste” of his life so far - plus, some sympathy for the psychopath.
Along the way, he encounters the minefield of scientific, ethical, moral and social issues involved in owning that label. Then, there’s his long-suffering wife! She wants a
baby, but isn’t sure that Sam is “good father” material. It’s the ultimate road trip/head trip movie and a dangerous mission for all concerned. Sam, his wife, the scientists, the film makers…will they ever be quite the same again?
GD
PD:
If you don’t like someone calling you a psycho, then tell them it upsets you
and that you want them to stop. I somehow suspect, sweet Bup would have
stopped.
Sam:
I did ask her to stop and “sweet” bup answered:
“But you are a psycho.”
Somehow, you have missed that part of the thread.
PLUS
You still refuse to admit that calling someone a psycho is abusive.
Why can’t you bring yourself to say so?
As long as you don’t accept that bup should NOT have called me names
unprovoked, excuse me for being unable to regard you as an "honest broker"
in this matter.
Your husband was wrong - but doesn’t make what the cabbie did right. The cab
driver was wrong, too.
I was wrong to abuse bup. BUT:
Bup was wrong, too. She should not have called me “a psycho” unprovoked.
Say it to bup’s face, if you want me to respect your opinions.
I don’t give a fig about bup. She’s a feeble-minded non-entity with limited
intelligence and a personality to match. But I do care about your integrity.
Hitherto, you have demonstrated none.
Merry Christmas Susie-Gay
Merry Christmas.
So I will use the example again as I mentioned before. Even an abusive husband cannot claim innocence or fairness after beating his wife to claim "she started it".
Merry Christmas Sam, Merry Christmas.
Now Sam the psychopath is talking about intregity.
This is getting way so out of hand, I am going to bust my gut laughing so hard.
I wouldn’t mind, but he is actually trying to “rebrand” himself as “I, Psychopath”…
Bup…behave yourself in future…NO MORE UNWANTED FAMILIARITY…
It is MR PSYCHOPATH to you…
GD
PD:
Bup called me “a psycho” unprovoked.
Was she right to do so?
Was it abusive on her part?
Simple “yes” or “no” questions.
You are being evasive because you know the answers:
Bup was wrong to call me names unprovoked.
Bup behaved abusively by calling me names unprovoked. She acted as an
abuser.
Simple.
Now, let’s take your example:
If the wife was not provoked and called the husband a moron.
And the husband beat her in return.
Both of them behaved abusively. They are BOTH abusers.
HE is the WORST abuser, I agree. His reaction was completely disproprtional
and uncalled for.
But that does NOT mean that she is NOT an abuser, too.
His abuse was 8 on a scale of 10.
Her abuse was 2 on a scale of 10.
BUT
She DID commit abuse. No one can deny that. Even in a court of law
provocation is considered a mitigating circumstance.
PD:
So I will use the example again as I mentioned before. Even an abusive
husband cannot claim innocence or fairness after beating his wife to claim
"she started it".
Yes I am certain the police officer at the scene would be weighing the 2/10 against the 8/10, and so would the judge in court…and so would the wife’s parents and siblings…and so would her girlfriends.
How about we try this…next time some N/abuse survivor calls you a word that causes narcissitic injury, you do what Dr Phil recommends, and you “just walk away”.
Just walk away Sam.
And by the way, have a Merry CHristmas, peace and goodwill to you…and your beautiful wife.
Last time, PD:
Bup called me “a psycho” unprovoked.
Was she right to do so?
Was it abusive on her part?
Simple “yes” or “no” questions.
You are being evasive because you know the answers:
Bup was wrong to call me names unprovoked.
Bup behaved abusively by calling me names unprovoked. She acted as an
abuser.
Calling someone - anyone - a psycho does not cause narcissistic injury (you
should really refresh your stale knowledge and begin to use terms
correctly). It is simply an insult. It is abusive.
I have acknowledged that I have abused bup disproprtionately.
Bup hasn’t accepted taht she had no right to call me a psycho. She actually
insists on her right to call me a psycho.
If you refuse to acknowledge that bup abused me, too, by calling me a psycho
unprovoked, I won’t have anything further to do with you. By denying the
truth, you are colluding with her to continue to abuse me. I will then adopt
your advice and walk away from you and add you to Blitzen and Susiejo under
"delete from server". It would be a pity, because i enjoy your company - but
I won’t pay the price of being subjected to continued abuse.
Sam
PD:
Yes I am certain the police officer at the scene would be weighing the 2/10
against the 8/10, and so would the judge in court…and so would the wife’s
parents and siblings…and so would her girlfriends.
How about we try this…next time some N/abuse survivor calls you a word
that causes narcissitic injury, you do what Dr Phil recommends, and you
"just walk away".
Just walk away Sam.
And by the way, have a Merry CHristmas, peace and goodwill to you…and
your beautiful wife.
HAS ANYONE SEEN THE CHARLES MANSON DOCUMENTARY ON MSNBC? NOW HE IS A
NARCISSIST!
YOU CAN’T POSSIBLY ENGAGE IN AN ARGUMENT WITH CHARLIE MANSON. HE
WOULD BITE YOUR
HEAD OFF. AND LOOK WHERE HE IS…
BUT SINCE SAM IS PINNING PRIMA TO THE WALL FOR AN ANSWER TO THIS
SORTED RIDICULOUS QUESTION, SHE HAS NO CHOICE BUT TO SAY SOMETHING.
SINCE I AM INVOLVED IN THIS SCENARIO, I WILL APOLOGIZE TO PRIMA IN
ADVANCE. SAM WHAT A TERRIBLE POSITION TO PUT HER IN. THIS IS
UNACCEPTABLE BEHAVIOR. THIS IS BETWEEN YOU AND ME. PRIMA HAS
NOTHING TO DO WITH IT AND SHOULD NOT EVEN BE A PART OF THE
CONVERSATION…IF SHE WANTS TO SAY SOMETHING THAT IS
FINE. BUT I AM THE PERSON THAT SHOULD PROTECT MYSELF IN THIS
SITUATION. THAT IS BRINGING A THIRD PARTY IN WHO HAS NOTHING TO DO
WITH OUR CHATS
TODAY…REALLY UNDERHANDED MOVE…AND EXTREMELY
UNCALLED FOR…A CHILDISH MOVE. ARE YOU GOING TO GIVE HER
CANDY TO HATE ME NOW?
On Dec 17, 2007, at 2:34 PM, samvaknin wrote:
Is there any way you can stop sending me email? I stopped them at care place but they keep coming. I closed the account at careplace. I get pages and pages of phrases that I do not want.> To: rbuckner62@hotmail.com> From: npd-cpt7160@lists.careplace.com> Subject: Re: [npd] Why the double standard?> Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 14:51:06 -0500> >
Would you please stop sending me emails?