sorry blitzen , diid i call you susiejoe? Where and when
Very deliberately I suspect.
;o)
GD
(Blitzen runs into a phone booth, pulls off her cape and becomes Susiejo,)
Mamolie,
I am constantly amazed at how much anger people can hold inside of themselves. Anger is not a primary emotion, anger is a secondary emotion. usually the primary emotion covered up by anger is sadness.
Someone must have hurt Blitzen(Invictatwo, Xereaphia, Zeraeph) so much and for so long that she has nothing left but anger. I feel sorry for her. Its a difficult life trying to handle all of that anger. Anger turned inward is depression, Anger turned outward is bitterness.
wahela
Blitzen IS Gaye Dlaton IS (Invictatwo, Xereaphia, Zeraeph, Mechanima,
Cricket Courage, Theresa, and a zillion other aliases).
This is called Dissociative Identity Disorder (DID) - formerly MPD (Multiple
Personality Disorder)
Does the Narcissist Have a Multiple Personality (Dissociative Identity
Disorder)?
http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/narcissisticabuse/message/4950
About anger and rage:
http://samvak.tripod.com/mask.html
http://samvak.tripod.com/journal86.html
http://samvak.tripod.com/faq73.html
Sam
----- Original Message -----
From: “wahela” npd-cpt3474@lists.careplace.com
To: palma@unet.com.mk
Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2007 7:07 PM
Subject: Re: [npd] I would like a concise but detailed description of the…
wow, clever guy!! Now i see what you mean. perhaps it ;s time i read his book!
Sam said:
Her stalking went uninterrupted since 1998.
Yeah and I am so original and inventive about it too, I even stalk through refusing clandestine meetings in London under threat of my ex directory phone numbers being posted in public if I don’t.
During the last 2 years, she has been molesting the Wikipedia
"encyclopedia".
Funny how I am not the one banned from editing for sockpuppeting then isn’t it?
I think you will find that a very pretty young lady called Christina has already politely suggested that this sort of posting should stop now:
http://www.careplace.com/forum/topic?id=6754&fs=0
However, if you want to continue a slanging match in public for any longer I am sure CZBZ will be happy to accommodate you on her MSN board:
http://groups.msn.com/WebofNarcissism/
GD
"However, if you want to continue a slanging match in public for any longer I am sure CZBZ will be happy to accommodate you on her MSN board"
Dear Xereaphia, Blitzen, and Rudolph,
Please stop assuming you know what I think or what I am happy with or not happy with. If you can't stop yourself, lemme help you out a little:
One of the first steps towards Authentic Healing is the creation of healthy boundaries. That means, cutting through narcissistic defenses assuming we know what someone else is thinking.
You may be fairly certain what my thoughts might be, but that does not mean your perceptions are anyone else's REALITY but your own.
If you'd like to ask me whether or not Slanging Matches are welcome on WoN, I'd be happy to answer. Problem is, you'd have to trust I was telling the truth. I'm not sure you can do that.
However, please be assured that even though my voice is muffled by 'cashmere', I can still talk through the thickest of socks.
CZBZ
sockpuppet of Sam Vaknin (insert rolling eyes here)
Life is something weird, that's for sure!!!!! Never did I imagine someone would suggest Sam had his hand wrapped around my brain. (insert shocked face here)
And never did I imagine there was a category even more caustic than the Malignant N. (insert tongue-in-cheek here)
Insert all the emoticons you want Blitzen, but know this for certain: Nobody inserts nothing up my arse to make me talk.
***I have noticed however, that some folks ARE very good at pulling my strings. LOL Call me Charmin' Chatty if you want, but PLEASE don't call me a sockpuppet.
Hmmmm…
So, lemme get this straight, CZBZ:
You are no longer my sockpuppet? (pouting and sulking in CZBZ’s general
direction).
Who IS LEFT, for Chrissake? I am forced to use my REAL NAME everywhere!
(distraught)
I am running out of socks, puppet!
Sam
----- Original Message -----
From: “CZBZ” npd-cpt3474@lists.careplace.com
To: palma@unet.com.mk
Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2007 8:27 PM
Subject: Re: [npd] I would like a concise but detailed description of the…
Think it would be nice if we all complied with Christina’s very diplomatic suggestions here:
http://www.careplace.com/forum/topic?id=6754&fs=0
…and if you REALLY need to discuss me there seems to be a very lively thread set up for the purpose here:
http://www.careplace.com/forum/topic?id=6722&fs=0
(Sorry CZBZ, I had no idea you would rather Sam discussed me there than on your own boards)
GD
Well, we all know that “I” cannot be a sockpuppet, nonentity that I am. CZ hasn’t been a sock puppet for years. So Sam, exactly what drawer do you put your sock puppets in?
I haven’t met a sock puppet of Sam’s in well over 4 years.
Shari Lewis had sock puppets, Lambchop. But I don’t run in to any of Sam’s sock puppets around.
Hm.
wahela
"You are no longer my sockpuppet? (pouting and sulking in CZBZ's general direction)."
Ahhh Sam, please don't paint a picture of a pouting man in my head. I'm such a sucker for suffering meN. Makes my Florence Nightingale Personality leap to the rescue.
Since I have the opportunity to speak with you directly, may I say that any residual questions in my mind about your role on the Internet, have been put to rest.
I am sorry that CarePlace was subjected to so much animosity stemming back to the creation of Femfree's NPD forum (and of course, the editing of "collected quotes" from survivors).
I'm sure this debate (dare I call it such a thing??) has confused CarePlace members and unfortunately, alienated some of them from Internet Support. That makes me very sad since Message Boards are innovative means for reconnecting people to one another.
BUT the 'debate' has been most educational for me. So here's a Thumb's Up to Femfree and forum censorship...and a Hug to you for putting up with this degree of crap for so many years.
CZBZ
"(Sorry CZBZ, I had no idea you would rather Sam discussed me there than on your own boards)" ~Blitzen
It may dismay you greatly to learn that your name(s) is not even recognized by members of my forum (or most forums, as a matter-of-fact!) I know that kinda hurts the ego a little, but pain can be a pathway towards healing and compassion. Look on the Bright Side, Blitzen!
I do my best to keep Shite-Stirrers out of an online community. I consider that job to be part of my role as a manager. And you know what? Even someone as naive as myself can figure out who a shite-stirrer might be without even talking on the telephone first. (wink)
But thank you for helping me find closure on a few residual issues I had about scanning membership lists in order to keep shite-stirrers as far away from vulnerable people as possible.
CZBZ
Wahela, don’t despair! Nonentities are the BEST raw material for
sockpuppets!
Apply here!
Sam, the One and Only, bereft of socks and puppets and sockpuppets (long
face)
PS:
Meri is my sister-in-law. She took Zeraeph’s Wikipedia riot very seriously,
until I told her to back off. Wikipedia wasn’t worth it.
----- Original Message -----
From: “wahela” npd-cpt3474@lists.careplace.com
To: palma@unet.com.mk
Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2007 8:44 PM
Subject: Re: [npd] I would like a concise but detailed description of the…
(blushing)
CZBZ, you’re a doll.
As for Florence Nightingale Personality Disorder (FNPD):
http://samvak.tripod.com/faq80.html (under “resuce fantasies”).
http://samvak.tripod.com/journal27.html
(smiling at CZBZ)
----- Original Message -----
From: “CZBZ” npd-cpt3474@lists.careplace.com
To: palma@unet.com.mk
Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2007 8:48 PM
Subject: Re: [npd] I would like a concise but detailed description of the…
GOOD BYE ALL…IT HAS BEEN REAL!!! THANKS BLITZEN FOR BLITZEN ME
OUT OF HERE…CAN’T TAKE ONE OUNCE MORE OF THIS…BUP
GOOD BYE SAM !!! THANK YOU FOR PAVING THE
ROAD TO MY REALITY…
On Nov 14, 2007, at 3:04 PM, samvaknin wrote:
ROFLMBO! Sam Vaknin made me laugh! There's first time for everything, isn't there? Never say NEVER.
CZBZ, aka: Charmin' Chatty
Funny how a person’s sister in law can have EXACTLY the same idiosyncratic use of syntax isn’t it? (and unfortunately, that wasn’t the ONLY sockpuppet…it was just the funniest one).
Sam, if do not take this over to the thread set up for the purpose here:
http://www.careplace.com/forum/topic?id=6722&fs=0
…people will start thinking that you would rather hang around with me than with them, so just be thankful enough that you were “saved by the bell” on the “Moonie Connection” - this time.
GD
Susie - i think we have covered this point…Read what Sam posted earlier and actually numerous times - "Only a qualified mental health diagnostician can determine whether someone suffers from Narcissistic Personality Disorder (NPD) and this, following lengthy tests and personal interviews. "
many many times…
and as for …I will also add that feelings and thinking are two different things.
aye, maybe, if you ar two different people!
I didnt come here exactly as an anti-Sam or anti-Femfree banner waver, but I sure had some reservations and complaints about some of the things I saw and read that left me suspicious and wary, and frankly with a bad taste in my mouth.
I have to say, I too, have more compassion for FF now than I ever did before, if she had to protect her forums from such strife and vile content.
And much to my surprise…I LIKE Sam now, he’s right, there is a certain cuteness to him, and a sense of humour I hadnt had a chance to see in action before.
Aside from being consistently linked to death (and frankly I dont care if that continues or not, its just not catching any of my interest), he can be quite interesting to read when he decides to interact.
But I have come to really respect women who until I arrived here were strangers. Women who are cool under pressure, have some very supportive things to say in private, great senses of humour, and irony (!!) and can speak from wisdom and compassion rather than ego.
I’m watching and learning CZ, Wahela 
It wasnt all bad, I got some good stuff while I was here. Thanks everyone
(edit) Sam, I doubt I’ll be posting here much anymore unless there is some “house cleaning”. I had no idea you’d miss me 
Wow, I keep such a different timeclock from you guys!!! I miss all the action! Anyways, have tried to brief read, but hope you don’t mind if i harp back a couple o pages to my question to susiejoe
Nickinstant said: *** I dont comprehend how these people bully and play me, could you explain (try to keep it brief if pos, my concentration is not great) *** I
Susiejoe said ....'ll go one better, I'll use your own words: "Nobody knew i was abused - NOBODY. it was not something i could describe as abuse that people understand abuse to be. It was a pattern of behaviours that even I could not comprehend nor put a word to. it was disordered and distorted behaviours. Not abuse as we know it."
And I'll take it as read that you didn't see THAT coming when you signed on for it either?
Your answer is, i believe.... that I did not see my abusive marriage coming so how would I see my online abuse coming…….FAIR POINT. Tell me then, is online abuse brainwashing? Yes or NO…
Susijoe said : psychological and emotional abuse is the only kind of abuse that adapts fully to an online environment that is, to date, largely unregulated and unaccountable.
With all sue respect, we are not here to discuss online or any other kind of abuse, we are here to discuss something we (feel AND think we) have a right to discuss through though personal experience
Nickinstant said: *** i dont feel in any way threatened. bullied or played in an online environmet, and cant imagine how i ever would. ***
Susie replied : Most people feel that way too, until it is too late, which is why it is so easy to do it and such a serious problem.
Again – something I did not come here to discuss. Not a threat to me – I guarantee it. Those who are vulnerable will not be saved here or anywhere else, and they will not be saved by you or by me or by anyone else here.
Susie said ..NPD exists, but it is as daft to go round DIY diagnosing it in people to suit yourself as it would be to diagnose appendicitis in the same people. NPD is the name of an established medical condition, not a "New Wave" insult. I
completely agree. Find one person here who would disagree
Nickinstant said: *** I have to agree that labelling somebody NPD who is not, is entirely wrong, but so is calling somebodya a bastard who has parents, so there's not a lot of point in getting in a big flap about it, cos it wont stop it happening.
susie said*** Of course not, but that doesn't make it a good idea to encourage it either, and it goes a little beyond that, in the sense that, so far, over the past 9 years, the online cult that has developed around Sam Vaknin and NPD has actively striven to silence and drown out any real information about NPD while promoting DIY diagnosis and an overpriced, self published, paperback in a stereotypical cult of toxic revictimisation. I'm all for free speech, but free speech cuts both ways. The facts are just as entitled to free speech as the BS is.
With all due respect, point one I agree with (we already covered that I think) and so would everyone with half a brain, the rest is rally a a matter of opinion. I have no strong opinion of SV – NADA opinion to be honest – I have no strong opinion of any of the people here. But I would say this much, if there was info out there it would take more than SV to” silence and drown” it. I think that’s a wee bit more credit than is due. Hey, just my thoughts
we may be angry with the SO’s or ex SO’s but it makes no difference, so hell why not argy bargy here!?! We all are anyway!!
SV offered himself up as a punch bag!!! I used that one day and I have to say i enjoyed it!! I had a lifetime negotiating it, now I have a whole new landscape sam and co are my main interraction with NPD now. How good is THAT!!!