(laughing again)
Bradshaw…The Homecoming!! I bought that book about 15 yrs ago I think. No, its not very meaty if clinical theory is your meal of choice thats for sure.
Its more woman-positive than the Vatican though.
Susiejo,
I don’t think I’m all that normal, though looking at my coworkers and neighbors and the people on the highways… I do think %99 percent of the world is crazier and has more issues than me.
I don’t know about your advice in finding someone to mate with… I’m not sure my current girlfriend would go for it. She really is a good person… she’s compassionate, patient, caring, and understanding. She’s intelligent and open minded, and I’m very comfortable with her.
She doesn’t freak me out like my past girlfriends, however… only when she’s not trying to get intimate. Then I really do have issues. There’s something scary going on in me in that respect…
Something that freaks me out about life is that I never enjoyed or cared for sex until I met up with N. Its quite weird, but I only enjoyed it when I was being degraded, treated badly, and didn’t have to respect the person I was with. Thats just the physical side… mentally I didn’t enjoy being treated that way. I find that quite abnormal… but I haven’t explored it all that much. These days I’ve become asexual.
Susiejo,
Pull you neck in…just cos WY sounds like the kinda guy you and me been waiting all our lives for doesn’t make him NORMAL…PERISH that thought…
:o)
GD
WY, for heaven’s sake:
Something that freaks me out about life is that I never enjoyed or cared for sex until I met up with N. Its quite weird, but I only enjoyed it when I was being degraded, treated badly, and didn’t have to respect the person I was with. Thats just the physical side… mentally I didn’t enjoy being treated that way. I find that quite abnormal… but I haven’t explored it all that much. These days I’ve become asexual.
As serious as I can be after this much Shiraz, that is NOT a big deal AT ALL…you are just a natural sub…
Which is NOT the same thing as a wuss…FAR from it…
You want to explore that and get your current GF in on it too…
GD
Heh, a natural sub? I suppose that could be true. I didn’t enjoy sex until I was practically raped and had it forced on me. Perhaps its because whatever issues I have don’t come into play in such a scenario.
However, it still freaks me out and I’m not exatcly comfortable being that way. My current gf misses sex, and its not exactly fair… a partner wants see some initiative and doesn’t want to feel like your just giving in. I’m sure it’d be okay on occasion and I probably should explore it, but… dealing with things isn’t my strong point. Avoiding them is. If I’m ever going to have success with intimacy and relationships I have to learn to be fair and balanced with my partner.
“Pull you neck in…just cos WY sounds like the kinda guy you and me been waiting all our lives for doesn’t make him NORMAL…PERISH that thought…”
Haha… thats ‘transference’
Wasted youth, you sound that you are just normal as normal can be. It is a matter of clicking/matching with the right person. you will both have issues with the other but you will care as is your nature and if you pick her right, so will she. And you both will have all those various experiences of life but will survive them because you both want to make it work. That is all it boils down to.
Biltzen, about WY. No one is normal. The psych profession would make no money if they were honest about that.
Do you think Forrest Gump might say “Evil is, as Evil does”?
I dont think anyone is going to convince me that my ex N/P couldnt help doing the things he did that made him so giddily happy hurting and being powerful over people.
It was clearly strategized at times, clearly something he wanted badly at others, and clearly giving himself permission to take his rage out on innocent others, if not his loved ones.
And it was clear when he exercised self-control in the face of his desires to do damage.
So he could help it.
I dont know if “she” can help it or not, you’ve known her longer than I have. I’m just relieved she found some peace and goodwill as the evening moved along.
However, it still freaks me out and I’m not exatcly comfortable being that way. My current gf misses sex, and its not exactly fair… a partner wants see some initiative and doesn’t want to feel like your just giving in. I’m sure it’d be okay on occasion and I probably should explore it, but… dealing with things isn’t my strong point. Avoiding them is. If I’m ever going to have success with intimacy and relationships I have to learn to be fair and balanced with my partner.
I KNOW it isn’t easy to face in yourself, but if it is there, it is there…no point in avoiding it…and there are work arounds for the “initiative” thing…
But hey…this is a FAMILY site…
Talk to her, it can be SO GREAT…and loving…I have a friend and I am always telling her that her idea of sadistic domination is anyone else’s idea of co-dependency.
GD
Thats what a coworker used to tell me, that there really is no normal. Why did I spend all that time in my youth studying abnormal psychology? If I didn’t speak about what I was, I’m sure nobody would ever notice and I’d fit into society just fine. Maybe I’m not as abnormal as I often claim to be, but I recognize their are parts of me that are damaged. I hold on tight to those beliefs that I’m damaged, because then I can work on it.
If I was normal, I wouldn’t have anything to talk about or do =(
Wy, you are perfectly normal. Just experiencing life.
Abnormal people think they are just fine. Normal people reflect and question that they are or are not. Trust yourself, trust your perceptions. They are as good as anyones. my perceptions of you are that you are a super nice guy and just need the right match. And that will come for you.
Hatter.
Lewis Carroll used it in “Alice in Wonderland”, for instance.
Sam
----- Original Message -----
From: “PrimaDonna” npd-cpt7103@lists.careplace.com
To: palma@unet.com.mk
Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2007 5:47 PM
Subject: Re: [npd] SAM’S DAILY LINK Sex and Personality Disorders
Yes I am familiar with Lewis Caroll. Thanks 
However, I was certain there was a more…official term for a maker of hats.
Ahh, OK, I found it…“milliner”.
and you might find this interesting:
She can’t help it. Narcissistic psychopaths are not EVIL - they do evil
because that’s just the way they are. Similarly, germs and virii cause
diseases not because they are evil - but because they are, period.
Read this dialog:
http://samvak.tripod.com/dialogues10.html
Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to EVERYONE!!
Sam
----- Original Message -----
From: “PrimaDonna” npd-cpt7103@lists.careplace.com
To: palma@unet.com.mk
Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2007 5:52 PM
Subject: Re: [npd] SAM’S DAILY LINK Sex and Personality Disorders
My nephew has Asperger’s syndrome. Gayle, or who ever you are, you
would be diagnosed with this earlier
on in your life. He has two aides at school. You would not be on
this site if you had it. You would be studying statistics and
reading giant novels chronically. To get to this site, you would
have to have empathy for others. You seem to just have rage, which I
am not sure is under the autism spectrum. Call it my opinion but I
don’t think someone with Asperger’s would care about NPD or others or
make it her life’s goal to go after Sam. They would have much more
hyper focused aspirations, like Bill Gates. My nephew is 10 and he has
had a rough time of it. It is only going to get worse for him. If
you have been diagnosed, I am very sorry
because it is quite a challenge.
On Dec 16, 2007, at 10:15 AM, blitzen wrote:
bup on Gaye:
make it her life’s goal to go after Sam.
Sam:
Read about the erotomaniac stalker here:
Gaye/Susiejo is an expert on just about everything. To prove her point, she
always quotes the Wikipedia - the “encyclopedia” that anyone (however
unqualified) can edit:
http://samvak.tripod.com/wikipedia.html
But what Gaye fails to tell you is that SHE (using the handle/username
Zeraeph) wrote the nonsensical entries in the Wikipedia on NPD, Asperger’s,
and other mental health disorders. She also monopolized these entries by
bullying and chasing away anyone who dares to try to contribute or edit away
her nonsense.
You can see her “contributions” and strategy of bullying other users clearly
in the history section of these entries in the Wikipedia. Search, for
instance, for “Narcissistic Personality Disorder” and then click on the
"History" tab. Zeraeph is Gaye.
So, she is quoting herself, pretending that the source is objective and
authoritative!
Wikipedia - instant expertise!!! Ideal place for the likes of wannabes and
con artists like Gaye.
Sam
----- Original Message -----
From: "Sam Vaknin author of “Malignant Self Love - Narcissism Revisited”"
palma@unet.com.mk
To: “PrimaDonna” npd-cpt7103@lists.careplace.com
Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2007 12:51 PM
Subject: Re: [npd] SAM’S DAILY LINK Sex and Personality Disorders
She can’t help it. Narcissistic psychopaths are not EVIL - they do evil
because that’s just the way they are. Similarly, germs and virii cause
diseases not because they are evil - but because they are, period.
Read this dialog:
http://samvak.tripod.com/dialogues10.html
Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to EVERYONE!!
Sam
----- Original Message -----
From: “PrimaDonna” npd-cpt7103@lists.careplace.com
To: palma@unet.com.mk
Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2007 5:52 PM
Subject: Re: [npd] SAM’S DAILY LINK Sex and Personality Disorders
Sam Vaknin is not the only person writing about NPD. Most of the people I
talk with have read far beyond Vaknin’s Intro to NPD101. What Sam offers is
personal insight into his disorder which is very helpful for cutting through
our Pollyanna-esque perceptions, thank GOD. From there, we can study NPD by
researching psychological theorists who may or may not be so honest as to
admit they are bonafide Narcissists themselves. ROFL
Sam:
You are conveniently forgetting 2 points:
(1) I started it all. I was the first to write extensively about narcissism,
back in 1998 and make all my work freely available on the Internet. The vast
majority of victims - yourself included - came to be aware of their
predicament by FIRST reading my work online.
(2) Narcissism101? You got to be kidding me. My Website contains 1409
articles about every conceivable aspect of narcissism, psychopathy,
personality disorders, and abusive relationships. It’s the most
comprehensive resource there is, backed by extensive bibliographies.
How do I know that it’s the most comprehensive resource there is? You said
so yourself - before you quarreled with Femfree, that is.
Check it out:
http://www.narcissistic-abuse.com
In any case, your policy of deleting any and all references to my work does
a disservice to your membership. whatever you think about me, your members
would most definitely benefit from reading my work.
CZBZ:
The N is an addict. An addict of Narcissistic Supply.
Sam:
This observation of Carolyn (CZBZ) is lifted from this article:
I really recommend that, for a change, you read the dialog I referred you
to. Getting over one’s intellectual laziness has its rewards sometimes.
Sam
----- Original Message -----
From: “PrimaDonna” npd-cpt7103@lists.careplace.com
To: palma@unet.com.mk
Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2007 12:58 PM
Subject: Re: [npd] SAM’S DAILY LINK Sex and Personality Disorders