SAM'S DAILY LINK Sex and Personality Disorders

The Myth of Mental Illness

http://samvak.tripod.com/mentalillness.html

Genetics and Personality Disorders

http://samvak.tripod.com/personalitydisorders27.html

The Genetic Underpinnings of Narcissism

http://samvak.tripod.com/journal43.html

Pathological narcissism is a reaction to prolonged abuse and trauma in early
childhood or early adolescence. The source of the abuse or trauma is
immaterial - the perpetrators could be parents, teachers, other adults, or
peers. Pampering, smothering, spoiling, and “engulfing” the child are also
forms of abuse - see these:

http://malignantselflove.tripod.com/narcissismglance.html

http://malignantselflove.tripod.com/journal42.html

http://www.mentalhelp.net/poc/view_doc.php/type/doc/id/419

----- Original Message -----
From: “PrimaDonna” npd-cpt7103@lists.careplace.com
To: palma@unet.com.mk
Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2007 2:25 AM
Subject: Re: [npd] SAM’S DAILY LINK Sex and Personality Disorders

(laughing)

Actually, mamolie:

http://samvak.tripod.com/faq60.html

----- Original Message -----
From: “mamolie” npd-cpt7103@lists.careplace.com
To: palma@unet.com.mk
Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2007 8:46 PM
Subject: Re: [npd] SAM’S DAILY LINK Sex and Personality Disorders

The Construct of Normal Personality

http://samvak.tripod.com/personalitydisorders6.html

The Enigma of Normal People

http://samvak.tripod.com/enigmapeople.html

Factor Models of Personality

http://samvak.tripod.com/personalitydisorders26.html

----- Original Message -----
From: “wastedyouth” npd-cpt7103@lists.careplace.com
To: palma@unet.com.mk
Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2007 3:39 AM
Subject: Re: [npd] SAM’S DAILY LINK Sex and Personality Disorders

The Midlife Narcissist

http://samvak.tripod.com/faq62.html

To Age with Grace - The Narcissist as an Old Person

http://samvak.tripod.com/journal54.html

----- Original Message -----
From: “PrimaDonna” npd-cpt7103@lists.careplace.com
To: palma@unet.com.mk
Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2007 11:56 PM
Subject: Re: [npd] SAM’S DAILY LINK Sex and Personality Disorders

Gaye diagnoses herself with another disorder every week. I wouldn’t trust
these self-diagnoses if I were you (laughing).

Narcissists are afraid of intimacy and commitment.

Click on these links are read the articles:

It is an established fact that abuse - verbal, psychological, emotional,
physical, and sexual - co-occurs with intimacy. Most reported offenses are
between intimate partners and between parents and children. This defies
common sense. Emotionally, it should be easier to batter, molest, assault,
or humiliate a total stranger. It’s as if intimacy CAUSES abuse, incubates
and nurtures it.

Continue to read this article here (click on this link):

http://samvak.tripod.com/intimacyabuse.html

Intimacy Retarding Paranoia

Paranoia is use by the narcissist to ward off or reverse intimacy. The
narcissist is threatened by intimacy because it reduces him to ordinariness
by exposing his weaknesses and shortcomings and by causing him to act
"normally". The narcissist also dreads the encounter with his deep buried
emotions - hurt, envy, anger, aggression - likely to be foisted on him in an
intimate relationship.

The paranoid narrative legitimizes intimacy repelling behaviours such as
keeping one’s distance, secrecy, aloofness, reclusion, aggression, intrusion
on privacy, lying, desultoriness, itinerancy, unpredictability, and
idiosyncratic or eccentric reactions. Gradually, the narcissist succeeds to
alienate and wear down all his friends, colleagues, well-wishers, and mates.

Continue to read this article here (click on this link):

http://samvak.tripod.com/journal60.html

The narcissist does his damnedest to avoid intimacy. He constantly lies
about every aspect of his life: his self, his history, his vocations and
avocations, and his emotions. This false data guarantee his informative
lead, asymmetry, or “advantage” in his relationships. It fosters
disintimisation. It casts a pall of cover up, separateness, mystery over the
narcissist’s affairs.

Continue to read this article here (click on this link):

http://samvak.tripod.com/narcissismintimacy.html

The narcissist divides all women to saints and whores. He finds it difficult
to have sex (“dirty”, “forbidden”, “punishable”, “degrading”) with feminine
significant others (spouse, intimate girlfriend). To him, sex and intimacy
are mutually exclusive rather than mutually expressive propositions.

Continue to read this article here (click on this link):

http://samvak.tripod.com/faq79.html

People with Personality Disorders (PDs) are very afraid of real, mature,
intimacy. Intimacy is formed not only within a couple, but also in a
workplace, in a neighborhood, with friends, while collaborating on a
project. Intimacy is another word for emotional involvement, which is the
result of interactions with others in constant and predictable (safe)
propinquity.

Continue to read this article here (click on this link):

http://samvak.tripod.com/faq69.html

Narcissists have no interest in emotional or even intellectual stimulation
by significant others. Such feedback is perceived as a threat. Significant
others in the narcissist’s life have very clear roles: the accumulation and
dispensation of past Primary Narcissistic Supply in order to regulate
current Narcissistic Supply. Nothing less but definitely nothing more.
Proximity and intimacy breed contempt. A process of devaluation is in full
operation throughout the life of the relationship.

Continue to read this article here (click on this link):

http://samvak.tripod.com/faq80.html

Inevitably, the sexuality of patients with personality disorders is thwarted
and stunted. In the Paranoid Personality Disorder, sex is depersonalized and
the sexual partner is dehumanized. The paranoid is besieged by persecutory
delusions and equates intimacy with life-threatening vulnerability, a
"breach in the defenses" as it were. the paranoid uses sex to reassure
himself that he is still in control and to quell is anxiety.

Continue to read this article here (click on this link):

http://samvak.tripod.com/personalitydisorders47.html

http://samvak.tripod.master.com/texis/master/search/?q=approach-avoidance

Question:

What is the mechanism behind the cycles of over-valuation (idealization) and
devaluation in the narcissist’s life?

Answer:

Continue to read this article here (click on this link):

http://samvak.tripod.com/devaluationidealization.html

Thus, paradoxically, the worst his anguish and unhappiness, the more
relieved and elated such an abuser feels! He is “liberated” and "unshackled"
by his own self-initiated abandonment, he insists. He never really wanted
this commitment, he tells any willing (or buttonholed) listener - and
anyhow, the relationship was doomed from the beginning by the egregious
excesses and exploits of his wife (or partner or friend or boss).

Continue to read this article here (click on this link):

http://samvak.tripod.com/abuse14.html

Thus, on the one hand, the narcissist feels that his freedom depends upon
re-enacting these early experiences. On the other hand, he is terrified by
this prospect. Realizing that he is doomed to go through the same traumas
over and over again, the narcissist distances himself by using his
aggression to alienate, to humiliate and in general, to be emotionally
absent.

This behavior brings about the very consequence that the narcissist so
fears - abandonment. But, this way, at least, the narcissist is able to tell
himself (and others) that HE was the one who fostered the separation, that
it was fully his choice and that he was not surprised. The truth is that,
governed by his internal demons, the narcissist has no real choice. The
dismal future of his relationships is preordained.

Continue to read this article here (click on this link):

http://samvak.tripod.com/faq4.html

In his quest to find new sources, he again embarks on ego-mending bouts of
sex, followed by the selection of a spouse or a mate (a Secondary
Narcissistic Supply Source). Then the cycle re-commence: a sharp drop in
sexual activity, emotional absence and cruel detachment leading to
abandonment.

Continue to read this article here (click on this link):

http://samvak.tripod.com/faq29.html
----- Original Message -----
From: “PrimaDonna” npd-cpt7103@lists.careplace.com
To: palma@unet.com.mk
Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2007 11:52 PM
Subject: Re: [npd] SAM’S DAILY LINK Sex and Personality Disorders

Lets not forget blixiejo,

 practice what you preach

 over and over

 and over and over

and over

ONLY A QUALIFIED MENTAL HEALTH PROFESSIONAL

CAN DIAGNOSE A "PSYCHOPATH"

I know you put a lot of time in reading and you, copy and paste informationa lot

 BUT THAT HARDLY QUALIFIES YOU TO DIAGNOSE

PRIMADONNA AS A PSYCHOPATH,

HAVE YOU TAKEN THE HYPOCRITICAL OATH?

SURE SOUNDS LIKE HYPOCRISY TO ME COMMING FROM YOU!!! 

 I am still reading ,that one jumped out at me, just a reminder since Sam didn't jump in

ONLY A QUALIFIED MENTAL HEATH PROFESSIONAL

 CAN DIAGNOSE AN NPD OR A PSYCHOPATH

 I THINK SOMEONE NEEDS TO APOLOGIZE TO PD,

 HUGS MAMOLIE

Hey buddy,

no need to get upset with me. I’m not here to knock you.

As for intellectual laziness. I’m not here as an intellectual. I’m here as a survivor, and I get to choose to have opinions based on my experience rather than your links.

Having said that, I’m also deep in flu, kept waking myself throughout the night with my coughing, and I’m a bit cranky…not with you…just physically.

So, help a girl out and at least quote a bit of the post youre responding to, and then I might be more interested in slogging through your writing, when I’m also slogging through my own photo editing (which right now is only a slightly more intriguing focus of interest). It would seem a little more like a conversation then, and less like trying to put jigsaw pieces together (which I just dont have the energy for).

Dont forget, youre coming in after an evening of 60+ posts, and only responding to those that interested you. I have no clue which ones those are if you dont quote at least one sentence from them.

Thats life. Your writing is not my focus…its an adjunct.

By her own admission, Gaye was never diagnosed with anything, let alone
Asperger’s.

She merely trawls the Wikipedia and picks up a disease-du-jour.

She then proceeds to join support groups and bully, attack, and stalk the
owners, moderators, and members.

Don’t go on wasting your time trying to find mitigating circumstances. If
anything, Gaye is a dangerous psychopath and should be shunned as the only
effective strategy. You are lucky she doesn’t know your real names and
addresses, believe me!

Sam

----- Original Message -----
From: “PrimaDonna” npd-cpt7103@lists.careplace.com
To: palma@unet.com.mk
Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2007 6:13 PM
Subject: Re: [npd] SAM’S DAILY LINK Sex and Personality Disorders

My gosh Sam, if you do not have a sense of humor. Started my day making me laugh!!

Sam wrote: Don’t go on wasting your time trying to find mitigating circumstances. If anything, Gaye is a dangerous psychopath and should be shunned as the only effective strategy. You are lucky she doesn’t know your real names and addresses, believe me!"

Oh the irony in saying I am a pathological liar, psychopathic narcissist, believe me.

God Sam,

You can’t 'arf go on…particularly if I mention another man…or two…

Can we say the color green is involved?

Seems to be the only thing about you that isn’t fake really, isn’t it? The green part…

That’s real…and so is a lot of the projection…

For everybody else…

I most certainly have been formally diagnosed with AS since 2004 (but I have probably actually HAD it since 1958 - because that is how it works). It is also the only formal diagnosis I have ever had, and Sam, I am afraid, is totally full of slurry…

…on Psychology.

…on Wikipedia

…and on me…

GD

Oh Blitxen I was just trying to take his posts on the cause of NPD to show example of how Sam covers his bases by saying in one it is caused by genes, in another it is caused by environment, and in another it is caused by head injury. I was having difficulty though because everything he writes is so “slurry” (beautiful fitting word).

The point of course was to reflect the absurdity of arguing that Sam is right when Sam has taken every position possible, which is to actually really take no position at all.

I’ve just been doing some reading about Aspergers and mind blindness because of the research quoted by the specialist this past week.

What is interesting is how Aspie’s dont pick up on social cues, have incredible difficulty understanding other people’s feelings, reading their facial expressions, picking up on their body language, tone of voice etc. even while they are very capable of expressing their own emotions.

I recall in the powerpoint presentation slides of obviously emotional situations and the completely incorrect or incomplete explanations Aspies supplied for what might be going on. It helped me to understand why the Aspie students we work with have such a terible time getting along with others. They just dont pick up on the thousands of different cues the rest of us take for granted in our relationships with each other.

I was also interested in how N’s and P’s dont have the same type of mind blindness. In fact theyre more attuned to people’s feelings because they need that information to be able to strategize, lie and manipulate effectively, charm, persuade, hoodwink. They can read others emotions, they just dont care what the other person is feeling.

Gaye, since youre so well read, and have been formally diagnosed, I was wondering what process you walk through, if while youre making such big mistakes about people’s intentions and motives – do you have in your awareness while thats happening that you have some level of mind blindness? I ask because you seem so convinced that what you believe about others is so correct despite so many people telling you youre not.

Or is it just a process which despite your intellectual awareness, has to happen with some kind of imperative you cant control by mere intellect alone?

Oh Trisha, you have to add to the humor today too. Mind blindness – that is a really good one. What kind of specialist is this where you found such a profound concept?

Can you explain what mind blindness has to do with differing opinions or is that rather simply your efforts at discounting other’s opinions rather than dealing directly with them?

Ah but of course…

That is how he works…

(Mind you, I can’t help thinking how lucky people are that Sam doesn’t know their credit card numbers.)

Trisha,


I was wondering what process you walk through, if while youre making such big mistakes about people’s intentions and motives – do you have in your awareness while thats happening that you have some level of mind blindness?


Let me try and explain to you how it all really works…before you REALLY get into your stride distorting things…

“Mind Blindness” only relates to an inability to read “non-verbal clues”…the thing about the internet is that there AREN’T any of those, so we are grand here, and, in fact, being more practised than most at communicating WITHOUT non-verbal clues we may well have a slight edge.

Also, a lot of manipulative behavior play on non-verbal clues and depends on “knee jerk” reactions that are either non-existant or muted in an Aspie, so that we will often be aware of certain types of manipulative behavior before other people are. Though, of course we have no more “magic powers” than anyone else, to see the truth or motivation behind it

In addition, AS doesn’t have the slightest effect on one’s ability to be aware of simple, obvious things like the fact that when somebody lies ABOUT you all the time, they are probably lying about a lot of other things.

Aspies learn to analyse in order to compensate for mind blindness. This is far harder , more stressful, and absolutely exhausting, but it does mean that when you need to be aware of what is going on you do tend to wind up far more aware than other people, in far greater detail and accuracy…often to the point of an “information overload”…

GD

Well, I’m not going to give her name, but she was sent by the Autism Society at the request of our adminstrator, because one of the number of Aspie students we have is having a particularly terrible time dealing with the overstimulation of this special school, as well as the choice/consequence process we have.

Having said that, I’m not talking at all about opinions, this is outside of your teasing and picking on Sam.

But it does have to do with whats similar and whats different between N’s (which youre being accused of being by Sam) and Aspie’s which you claim you are, serendipitous to my own presentwork experience.

So, I’m asking out of curiousity. If what you say is true, it explains an awful lot about whats been going on on this board. And it may be contraindicating some others, but I’m not really interested in that right now.

I’m more interested in my student, and I figure you of all people could shed some light on whats going on internally since you would obviously have more intellectual awareness of what youre dealing with than my student.

OK so help me understand, because its very painful to watch this kid have such a horrible time socially when what he really wants is to be like everyone else, and have friends, fit in etc. but just cant because he is constantly stepping on people’s toes, annoying, angering and scaring them with his own behaviour but being blind to how he is affecting their view of him.

I imagine it was something similar with you.

Is he likely to start taking it personally, and like you, ascribing nefarious motives and intentions on those people about whom he is mistaken, but with whom he wants to befriend?

Is it a matter of growing calloused over time?

There was much discussion at this workshop amongst my colleagues about the need for a special school just for autistic students who might feel more belonging (and MUCH less social strife) amongst themselves than us trying to squeeze his square peg into the round holes of our school culture.

No Trisha,

I am afraid you are actually just doing what you usually do and trying to use any scrap of personal information you can get to trash me because I see clean through you and your head games and you cannot handle that…

GD

OK, well I’ll just continue with my research then.

By the way I dont have in this moment anything nefarious in mind, and youre misreading me again. I am actually trying to understand things better for my student. I dont know any other adult Aspie, and youre only the 2nd female one I know in any way.

But I can see very clearly how this creates a very difficult time for you, and him, to get along smoothly with others, even if its a support forum for N abuse survivors.

Its sad…I’m sad for him…and feeling rather hopeless…if we cant get him to a placement thats better suited to his particular needs.

Its too bad you dont see me. Or others without the veil of suspicion and resentment. I wish that that would not be the same outcome for this kid.


Is he likely to start taking it personally, and like you, ascribing nefarious motives and intentions on those people about whom he is mistaken, but with whom he wants to befriend?


I am neither mistaken about anyone, nor do I wish to “befriend the nefarious”…so I have absolutely no idea…but he probably finds passive aggression very irritating, just as I do…

An Aspie doesn’t place anything like the same priority upon “befriending” or “popularity” that other people do…we don’t have the same need for social affirmation or contact…so that we have no motivation to abandon reality or integrity in favor of them.

Which means that our perception and expression of it tends to cut through a lot of BS

We do not “misread” non-verbal clues, we just do not read them at all, and have to go round it analytically instead…which, though usually more accurate, is exhausting so we don’t bother unless we have a good reason to.

GD

Trisha,

I have no doubt that your new head game is going to be insisting that whenever I catch you out I am in fact “misreading you” because I have AS. chuckles

I am not misreading you at all…in your case accuracy isn’t even tiring…because you never stop trying to play people and never show any real evidence of caring about anything outside yourself.

GD