Phoenix,are you schizophrenic?
Phoenix,
doesn’t it feel good to be free and choose who can bother you and who can not? I am proud of you.
Love Gypsy
Susiejo,
I don’t think anybody IS joining her now (well except Sam, who was actually behaving quite well, for once, until Phoenix started this)…
In fact I get the uneasy feeling that a handful of people are winding her up and sending her out to carry the can for them while they show “clean hands” - and she is falling for it.
GD
Susie - sorry to burst your bubble and damage your overinflated ego, but there is a big difference between posts and views - no where have there been 565 posts about you and Blitzen. Have a great Thanksgiving anyway.
Want to bet money on that Angiezee?
No, I’m not but you’ve given me a great idea for the weekend. (chuckling) And I’m going to borrow one of my students’ t-shirts JUST for you 
On the front: I HEAR VOICES IN MY HEAD
on the back: AND THEY DONT LIKE YOU
That was a very creative and humorous way to try and attack my character Blitzen/Susiejo.
Are there more where that came from? I confess I’m a little curious now how your mind thinks, and if theres anything in there that might come close to meeting the mark?
I doubt I’m the only one who’s finding THIS part interesting/enlightening.
CZ…
thank you SO much for the Einstein video.
I’m going to show it to my weeble in the morning
Blitxen,
I think they came back over to this board for their attacks and to stir the pot because their own board is wanning, the others having grown tired of the topic of us. Which is actually why they established that board.
There is a serious debate about the over-medicalization of mental illness.
EVERYTHING in human life is connected to genetics and the brain. Personality
disorders are no exception. It is inevitable. BUT, as we learn in philosophy
101: correlation is NOT causation. The question is NOT whether the brain and
genes are involved. The question is are they DECISIVE - or is environment
and upbringing more important.
Read this essay for a critique of these concepts:
http://samvak.tripod.com/mentalillness.html
Genetics and Personality Disorders
http://samvak.tripod.com/personalitydisorders27.html
The Genetic Underpinnings of Narcissism
http://samvak.tripod.com/journal43.html
Sam
----- Original Message -----
From: “thephoenix101” npd-cpt6829@lists.careplace.com
To: palma@unet.com.mk
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2007 10:17 PM
Subject: Re: [npd] Victim Mentality
Bup wrote:
I think Sam, Blitzen and SusieJo are having a three way…
Sam:
YUCK!
Plus:
Blitzen, Susiejo are the same person: Gaye Dalton. And she, most definitely,
is not my type. I like them sane (laughing)
----- Original Message -----
From: “bup” npd-cpt6829@lists.careplace.com
To: palma@unet.com.mk
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2007 11:46 PM
Subject: Re: [npd] Victim Mentality
Sam, would you be kind enough to let me know which of the posts youre refering to? I posted so much I’m not sure what exactly youre answering.
thanks
And I am not sure which of MY posts you are referring to (laughing at the
inanity of this group’s mailing system).
Sam
----- Original Message -----
From: “thephoenix101” npd-cpt6829@lists.careplace.com
To: palma@unet.com.mk
Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2007 3:39 PM
Subject: Re: [npd] Victim Mentality
Susiejo,
I think they just found it an anticlimax to be left with a new board, NPD2…
http://www.careplace.com/group/1446
…that was everything they claimed they wanted and asked for (“This is a totally supportive group and nothing else will be tolerated. Plus, no links or pasted/ unoriginal material may be posted in the forums”), and doesn’t seem to interest them at all, while we discussed NPD (instead of them) over here.
So they started trying to provoke us into retaliating against constant personal attacks on Angizee’s board:
http://www.careplace.com/group/1443
And when that didn’t work, they set Phoenix up to come try to provoke us here.
GD
Blitxen,
Did they set Phoenix up or is she one of the setees?
Phoenix wrote to Susiejo: Ahh yes, thats THIS week. Last week you were pushing very hard the theories of Ellis, until I pointed out you cut and paste his words very well, but you dont apply the concepts.
So it seems, Sam’s not the only one who sins at inconsistency?
I wonder what “respectable” things you’ll be drawing from next week? b ah, why wait till then, lets just switch now?
Phoenix, There is really no inconsistency. Albert Ellis is of the school of cognitive psychologists, and as I pointed out before, is considered the grandfather of cognitive behavioral therapies.
To educate you a bit on cognitive psychology, wikipedia is at your convience.
Cognitive neuroscience is an academic field concerned with the scientific study of biological mechanisms underlying cognition, with a specific focus on the neural substrates of mental processes and their behavioral manifestations. It addresses the questions of how psychological/cognitive functions are produced by the neural circuitry.
Cognitive neuroscience is a branch of both psychology and neuroscience, unifying and overlapping with several sub-disciplines such as cognitive psychology, psychobiology and neurobiology.
Before the advent of fMRI, cognitive neuroscience was called cognitive psychophysiology. Cognitive neuroscientists have a background in experimental psychology or neurobiology, but may spring from disciplines such as psychiatry, neurology, physics, linguistics and mathematics.
Methods employed in cognitive neuroscience include experimental paradigms from psychophysics and cognitive psychology, functional neuroimaging, electrophysiological studies of neural systems and, increasingly, cognitive genomics and behavioral genetics. Clinical studies in psychopathology in patients with cognitive deficits constitute an important aspect of cognitive neuroscience. The main theoretical approaches are computational neuroscience and the more traditional, descriptive cognitive psychology theories such as psychometrics.
Cognitive psychology is radically different from previous psychological approaches in two key ways.
• It accepts the use of the scientific method, and generally rejects introspection as a valid method of investigation, unlike symbol-driven methods such as Freudian psychology.
• It explicitly acknowledges the existence of internal mental states (such as belief, desire and motivation) unlike behaviorist psychology.
I try to draw respectable hypothesis and theories from scientists and the medical field, not psychologists
There is really no inconsistency. Albert Ellis is of the school of cognitive psychologists
OKaaayy...sure, no inconsistencies at all. Got it. Clear as mud.
By the way, Wikipedia rawks, but its no substitute for doing academic research, reading his books or writing papers....or really, putting into practice in everyday life with real live clients, his theories.
Try it, you might like it. Its much more contactful, meaningful and fulfilling an experience than ONLY gleaning your knowledge by surfing the net, or communicating via cutting and pasting a few paragraphs here and there.
Real human contact per day helps keep the doctor away!
Sam wrote: There is a serious debate about the over-medicalization of mental illness.
EVERYTHING in human life is connected to genetics and the brain. Personality
disorders are no exception. It is inevitable. BUT, as we learn in philosophy
101: correlation is NOT causation. The question is NOT whether the brain and
genes are involved. The question is are they DECISIVE - or is environment
and upbringing more important.
Serious debate among who Sam? Those who are realizing their educations as counselors and therapists are archaic and worthless in the 21st century?
Philosophy 101 is an introduction to the basic concepts debated in philosophy. The concepts applicable to NPD and the current discussions here are free will and determinism. Today in the 21st century, the debates among philosophers (those who got past the 101 course) are integrating all the new knowledge that has been learned the past few decades by the neuroscientists.
The following link is a discussion on free will. I am posting just an except to support my point. There is tons more.
http://skepdic.com/freewill.html
“Today, the focus of the debate over human responsibility is on the capacity to control one’s thoughts and actions, rather than on the metaphysical presence or absence of a non-physical entity with will. Determinism is compatible with ‘free will’, though the term should be abandoned to indicate that the issue is one of capacity for controlling one’s thoughts and actions. That capacity is independent of the truth of materialism or dualism. Certain neurophysical and neurochemical conditions must hold before one can enjoy whatever freedom our species is capable of. A better understanding of these issues will not come from traditional philosophers debating free will vs. determinism. Neuroscientists will provide the knowledge, neurophilosophers the understanding.”
Phoenix wrote to SusieJo: Real human contact per day helps keep the doctor away!
Phoenix, you actually made me laugh. Do you consider living on the internet day in and day out as real human contact?
Phoenix:
By the way, Wikipedia rawks
Sam:
Gaye Dullton … er … Dalton wrote, edited, and monopolized the Wikipedia
entries for NPD, Asperger’s, and a host of other mental health disorders.
these now contain an inordinate amount of disinformation, outright
inanities, and nonsense.
How good can this online “encyclopedia” (that ANYONE can edit!!!) be with
such “contributors” and “editors”? It is full of incredible nonsense,
written by unqualified people and whackos such as Gaye. It is not only my
view, by the way.
Read these:
Real human contact per day:
face to face
voice to voice
eye contact
physical contact
work colleagues, sharing of ideas, chit chat, laughter
friends, sharing narrative, offering support
family, sharing contact, reminding each other of a shared history
children, unconditional love, patience, tolerance in the face of someone else’s flaws and dependence
smiling at cashiers
asking the bank teller how their day is and really meaning it
and for people who purport to know with some confidence about psychology, actually putting it into practice, NOT cutting and pasting paragraphs from Wikipedia every single day in order to discount, devalue and dehumanize survivors of abusive N relationships.
And so I say again, try it, you might like it.
I have to go now, real humans are in need of my attention, and me of theirs.